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Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by xboxnolifes »

reactordev wrote: post #220
helterskelter wrote: post #217

I'm in the PNW and they put Flock cameras up in my area recently. Nobody likes them (libs or cons), and we've seen some rather creative approaches to uh...disabling them. One person took a pipe cutter to the mount and spirited the whole unit away, another apparently fired a shotgun slug through it, somebody else looks like they used it to relieve their anger problems with a metal pipe. Flock cameras, America's bipart…

And yet they drive away in their GM/Ford/Nissan/Tesla/Any car/truck with its connected media unit and telemetry gathering infotainment systems and think “This is fine”.

"And yet, you live in a society. I am very smart."

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by xdennis »

gwbas1c wrote: post #85
notepad0x90 wrote: post #36

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> No matter what, the whole ICE acting like the SS thing will only result in more illegal migration in the long term, like a lot more. I don't follow. Illegal immigration into the US is down right now. So, how did you arrive at that conclusion?

I agree with GP, but from the opposite perspective.

ICE doing a good job of removing illegal aliens ("acting like SS" in GP's parlance) will trigger the next democratic president to relax border enforcement. This is what happened with Biden. He let in 7.2 million migrants [1].

There's no way for Trump to deport 7.2 million people in 4 years. Pro-illegal immigration presidents are always at an advantage.

Trump's strict (and good) policies might trigger the next democratic president to just blanket pardon all illegal aliens, and the next republican president can't do anything about it.

[1]: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/million-migrants-border-bi...

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by dboreham »

VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #156
sergiomattei wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The entire downtown area is just homeless camps. This isn’t even remotely close to true. > You can't browse around outside Westlake Center without being bombarded and accosted by aggressive panhandlers. Even the iconic Pike Place Market was overrun with druggies. I live on Pike Street. There’s homeless, but it’s not “overrun” and for the year+half I’ve lived here I haven’t been “accosted by aggressive panhandlers”.…

This sounds like the perspective of a beat-down Seattlite that thinks all the problems are just "normal". I lived there for a very long time, and have lived in several other major cities since then. Seattle's problems are not "normal". And they should not be normalized by thinking this is just how it is . It is not that way in other places.

All the west coast port cities (SF, Portland, Tacoma, Seattle, Vancouver) imho have always had a similar s.hole vibe. For most of the last 40 years SF was the worst. But now Seattle has the top place. Clearly complex issue with many causes but also clearly someone in SF did something to improve the situation and someone in Seattle didn't do that thing.

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by notepad0x90 »

Eisenstein wrote: post #188
notepad0x90 wrote: post #120

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That's not how it is in reality, southern states (not just them though) have been doing that with homeless people too, not just immigrants. Republicans did jim crow in the 50s and 60s, we still talk about it today, and the positive blowback from that needs no explanation. Keep in mind that ICE is doing a lot more than cops did to protesters in the 60s, and it is targeting not just one group but several minority group…

Correction: it was actually southern Democrats that did Jim Crow. The Democratic party used to be quite different before the civil rights bill.

No, it was Republicans (today) who used to be democrats in that era. parties are made up of people, it was the same people or their ideological inheritors. Many republicans today in congress (especially leadership) were of voting age in that era. a 20 year old in 1969 would be 75 today, younger than the current and former president.

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by mikkupikku »

beefnugs wrote: post #230
mikkupikku wrote: post #197

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Redactions are necessary to protect innocent members of the public. Going through all the footage from every officer every single day to perform these redactions would require a huge amount of manpower. That may change with new technology, but until it can be automated reliably, the WA legislature got this right. With shit like traffic cameras, I don't think redactions are necessary, although it would be nice if all…

NO, the fact that you are hitting scalability problems to do a whole bunch of redacting is a solid indicator that this is going too far on surveillance data. The only indicator that it was done right, is that the redactions are happening in real time at the camera, only the list of license plates that have full warrant cleared authority for should be leaving the camera itself. (or full car description: color, make, m…

The scaling problem of redacting video only applies to body cameras and I think they definitely aren't "going too far". Body cameras have greatly benefited society. The processes effectively restricting the rate at which you can file FOIA requests are entirely reasonable given the need to redact things to protect innocent people.

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by ahmeneeroe-v2 »

aerostable_slug wrote: post #86
adgjlsfhk1 wrote: post #48

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It isn't. 2/3rds of illegal immigrants come to the US legally (and then overstay). Unless you make it illegal for non-citizens to visit the US, you can't stop most illegal immigration.

We can start with that 1/3rd. Then we remove as many economic incentives as possible to make overstaying visas that much less attractive to tackle the other 2/3rds. It's weird to see people (perhaps not you specifically) who often support dramatic gun control measures to address a tiny percentage of crime among the first to trot out the old saw that only a relative fraction of illegal migrants got that way by an ille…

Yes! Well stated. 33% of illegals would be a huge win, while also aiming at self deportations by targeting incentives.

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by ahmeneeroe-v2 »

estearum wrote: post #203
Izikiel43 wrote: post #76

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> Biden has deported vastly greater numbers and a higher share of crossers, but it has not deterred people from crossing. ICE and Trump seem to be enough deterrent now, considering how the land encounters have reduced. > The logistics are such that once arrivals exceed the deportation machine’s capacity, people will find out and even more will come. This explains the huge ice funding increase.

Yes, breaking asylum and due process laws will be a deterrent. The question was always how to deter immigration legally , which prior POTUSes thought they had to care about. Re the funding increase: People to put handcuffs on wasn’t the bottleneck, so no it doesn’t. Immigration courts are the bottleneck, and actually jamming more low-level or non-offenders into the system exacerbates that problem.

lol breaking asylum laws is bad but breaking immigration laws is fine.

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by estearum »

Izikiel43 wrote: post #218
estearum wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, breaking asylum and due process laws will be a deterrent. The question was always how to deter immigration legally , which prior POTUSes thought they had to care about. Re the funding increase: People to put handcuffs on wasn’t the bottleneck, so no it doesn’t. Immigration courts are the bottleneck, and actually jamming more low-level or non-offenders into the system exacerbates that problem.

> Yes, breaking asylum and due process laws will be a deterrent. Unfortunately, TPS is up to the executive branch, not congress, so changing the duration is up to the executive branch discretion.

Which is not related to the closure of borders to asylum seekers nor the withholding of due process rights for people who are suspected of breaking immigration laws — neither of which is at the Executive’s discretion.

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by xdennis »

hobs wrote: post #33
ls612 wrote: post #29

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But the sorts of ICE actions that are causing this controversy only have political support because the US immigration laws have been flouted for 30+ years. Regardless of what you or I think of it it’s the reality that lots of the electorate wants deportations and lots of them and that likely isn’t true in a world where the laws on the books were more strictly enforced in the past.

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No, there are many reasons people want deportations, but mainly people don't think others should get the benefits of being part of a country while flaunting its rules.

In short: "if you want to join our group, you should like our group and add to our group".

Stories like these are what turned people away:

- New York giving free debit cards to migrants to buy their ethnic food because they don't like free American food.

- Free or subsidized housing for migrants.

- Migrants protesting with Mexican flags.

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