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ChatGPT terms disallow its use in providing legal and medical advice to others

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Re: ChatGPT terms disallow its use in providing legal and medical advice to others

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I wouldn't be surprised to see new products from OpenAI targeted specifically at doctors and/or lawyers. Forbidding them from using the regular ChatGPT with legal terms would be a good way to do price discrimination.

Definitely. And in the long run, that is the only way those occupations can operate. From that point, you are locked in to an AI dependency to operate.

Re: ChatGPT terms disallow its use in providing legal and medical advice to others

#232

I wouldn't be surprised to see new products from OpenAI targeted specifically at doctors and/or lawyers. Forbidding them from using the regular ChatGPT with legal terms would be a good way to do price discrimination.

OpenEvidence is free for anyone with an NPI

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#233

As a doctor I hope it still allows me to get up to speed on latest treatments for rare diseases that I see once every 10 years. It saves me a lot of time rather than having to dig through all the new information since I last encountered a rare disease.

I assume you are reading the sources rather than relying solely on the AI summaries.

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I've used ChatGPT to help understand medical records too. It's definitely faster than searching everything on my own, but whether the information is reliable still depends on personal judgment or asking a real doctor. More people are treating it like a doctor or lawyer now, and the more it's used that way, the higher the chance something goes wrong. OpenAI is clearly drawing a line here. You're free to ask questions,…

I’ve found it just as accurate and a better experience than using telehealth or generalist doctors

Re: ChatGPT terms disallow its use in providing legal and medical advice to others

#235

It's not stopping to give legal/medical advice to the user, but it's forbidden to use ChatGPT to pose as an advisor giving advice to others: https://www.tomsguide.com/ai/chatgpt/chatgpt-will-still-offe...

One wonders how exactly this will be enforced.

It’s a “CYA” aka don’t sue me

Re: ChatGPT terms disallow its use in providing legal and medical advice to others

#236

I've used ChatGPT to help understand medical records too. It's definitely faster than searching everything on my own, but whether the information is reliable still depends on personal judgment or asking a real doctor. More people are treating it like a doctor or lawyer now, and the more it's used that way, the higher the chance something goes wrong. OpenAI is clearly drawing a line here. You're free to ask questions,…

I’ve found it just as accurate and a better experience than using telehealth or generalist doctors

Ditto for lawyers

The thing that gets me about AI is that people act like most doctors or most lawyers are not … shitty and your odds of running into a below average one are almost 50/50

Doctors these days are more like physicists when most of the time you need a mechanic or engineer. I’ve had plenty of encounters wher I had to insist on an MRI or on specific bloodwork to hone in on the root cause of an ailment where the doctor just chalked it up to diet and exercise

Anything can be misused, including google, but the answer isn’t to take it away from people

Legal/financial advice is so out of reach for most people, the harsh truth is that ChatGPT is better than nothing and anyone who would follow what it says blindly is bound to fuck up those decisions up in some way anyway

On the other hand, if you can leverage it same as any other tool it’s a legitimate force multiplier

The cynic in me thinks this is just being done in the interest of those professions, but that starts to feel a bit tin foil-y

Re: ChatGPT terms disallow its use in providing legal and medical advice to others

#237

That anyone would use any LLM for medical advice is beyond me. It’s webMD with slicker ui. Obviously they should disallow them and more broadly should be banned from providing anyone medical Advice

What’s wrong with WebMD? I’ve gotten a lot of value when it comes to questions about diet, supplements, exercise, even getting advice on incidents like my dog getting a porcupine quill in his paw. It’s a lot better than Googling for ancient forum threads.

It’s always cancer. /s

In all seriousness, it’s really about the relative lack of research skills that people have. If you know how to do research and apply critical thinking, then there’s no problem. The cynic in me blames the education system (in the US, idk how other countries stack up).

Re: ChatGPT terms disallow its use in providing legal and medical advice to others

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Wasn't there a recent OAI dev day in which they had some users come on stage and discuss how helpful ChatGPT was in parsing diagnoses from different doctors? I guess the legal risks were large enough to outweigh this

I'd wager it's probably more that there's an identifiable customer and specific product to be sold. Doctors, hospitals, EHR companies and insurers all are very interested in paying for a validated version of this thing.

Or simple threats of lawsuits directly/indirectly, theres a lot of money at stake here in the end

Re: ChatGPT terms disallow its use in providing legal and medical advice to others

#239
I read this not as "you can't ask ChatGPT about {medical or legal topic}" but rather "you can't build something on ChatGPT that provides {medical or legal} advice or support to someone else."

For example, Epic couldn't embed ChatGPT into their application to have it read your forms for you. You can still ask it - but Epic can't build it.

That said, I haven't found the specific terms and conditions that are mentioned but not quoted in context.

Re: ChatGPT terms disallow its use in providing legal and medical advice to others

#240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are you saying we shouldn't get AI advice without a "professional", then? Why is everybody here saying "in my experience it's just as good or better, but we need rules to make people use the worse option"? I have narcolepsy and it took a dozen doctors before they got it right. AI nails the diagnosis. Everybody should be using it.

I wonder if the reason AI is better at these diagnostics, is because the amount of time it spends with the patient is unbounded. Whereas a doctor is always restricted by the amount of time they have with the patient.

I don't think we can say it's "better" based on a bunch of anecdotes, especially when they're coming exclusively from people who are more intelligent, educated, and AI-literate than most of the population. But it is true that doctors are far more rushed than they used to be, disallowed from providing the attentiveness they'd like or ought to give to each patient. And knowledge and skill vary across doctors.

It's an imperfect situation for sure, but I'd like to see more data.

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