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ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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Anti-surveillance makeup anyone? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_vision_dazzle

One of that article's top sources is Vogue (https://www.vogue.com/article/computer-vision-dazzle-anti-su...).

I remember in college my magazine journalism prof surprised me by pointing out that Vogue a bad-ass journalistic enterprise in its own right. That was 35 years ago and it's cool to see they still have it.

Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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I wonder if this is a portend to an American social credit score, like where China uses facial recognition to identify criminals at concerts[1], and jaywalkers, etc. which severely impacts a person's ability to get a job, housing, etc. I can't help but assume this is already being used at retail establishments, but now it could be tied into law enforcement databases, and .. communicate..

We already live in the social credit dystopia. https://www.thenexus.media/your-phone-already-has-social-cre...

Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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All, I recommend you familiarize yourself with relevant state laws regarding your protections when assisting folks that are in immediate danger, e.g.: https://oregon.public.law/statutes/ors_161.200 I'm not a lawyer. So, if you have counsel on retainer and can stomach the bill, get clarity there first. But know that many states have such protections on the books. The veil of immunity for DHS agents may soon be pierced…

We need states to step in and encourage local police to arrest federal agents breaking the law, and allow victims to sue in state courts.

Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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Question for a future (2026?) dystopia: if our faces aren't secret or private for 4A/5A purposes, can we start making them secret/private by walking around in public with a balaclava? New norms go both ways.

We now know why people had such weird makeup/facial modification attachments in dystopian sci-fi. Luckily we have libertarians, 1990s Republicans, and Hannity and Infowars fans that will fight vehemently to stop this sort of face scanning. It is all of theirs' nightmare scenarios way past all their red lines up there with Walmarts turned into relocation camps. But until they sort it out is it possible to make tempora…

Libertarians and 90s republican are about as politically impotent as the democrats these days.

The Hannity and Infowars fans will be written off as crazy when no longer useful.

Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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We now know why people had such weird makeup/facial modification attachments in dystopian sci-fi. Luckily we have libertarians, 1990s Republicans, and Hannity and Infowars fans that will fight vehemently to stop this sort of face scanning. It is all of theirs' nightmare scenarios way past all their red lines up there with Walmarts turned into relocation camps. But until they sort it out is it possible to make tempora…

It used to be cv dazzle [0] is 15 years young. But its questionable if it works anymore. Theres also a bunch of of digital camo, most seem to target IR cameras [1] here's a homebrew version. [0] https://adam.harvey.studio/cvdazzle [1] https://www.macpierce.com/the-camera-shy-hoodie

> It used to be cv dazzle [0] is 15 years young. But its questionable if it works anymore.

I fed all the CV Dazzle demo pictures into some free Amazon facial recognition demo a few years ago. It was a pretty shitty demo, but the makeup didn't even slow it down. It had no trouble at all finding the faces, assigning ages or genders, or locating facial features. And once you've located the features, you're going to have no trouble identifying the person if they're in the database.

Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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All, I recommend you familiarize yourself with relevant state laws regarding your protections when assisting folks that are in immediate danger, e.g.: https://oregon.public.law/statutes/ors_161.200 I'm not a lawyer. So, if you have counsel on retainer and can stomach the bill, get clarity there first. But know that many states have such protections on the books. The veil of immunity for DHS agents may soon be pierced…

We need states to step in and encourage local police to arrest federal agents breaking the law, and allow victims to sue in state courts.

lovely ideas that no longer work in america given that SCOTUS is now a branch of a political party so all the suing leads to nothing but time-wasting unfortunately

Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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People voted for this...some of them three times...

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>People voted for a bait and switch.

There was no "bait and switch." Nothing Trump is doing now should be a surprise to anyone who paid attention to him or the Trumpist movement over the last decade.

>If we give them room to say “this isn’t what wanted” we give them room to say “next time I want something different.”

The problem is, this is exactly what many of them wanted, and now they're just trying to cover their ass because the revolution didn't work out the way they expected.

Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

#239

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The state should avoid giving a REAL ID to anyine who isn't at least a permanent resident of the US (and the distinction between cirizen and non-citizen IDs should be very obvious). A lot of illegal immigrants are people who legally entered the US on a temporary visa, and overstayed; and it would be good if basically every American bureaucracy was quickly, consistently, and legibly checking for that status. Instead,…

I'm not sure what documents you think entail getting a REAL ID but they are typically proof of permanent residence, such as US passport, birth certificate, or green card. Its requirements are actually stricter than what entails getting a passport, because you also have to prove you actually live in the state you're applying in. As for the rest of your post, I don't really know what you're babbling about has to do wit…

I checked the State of California website for REAL ID eligibility before I wrote my above comment, and it confirms that people with temporary legal immigration status are eligible for REAL ID cards, specifically mentioning DACA recipients as an example of a category of people who are eligible. This is exactly the sort of thing I think should not be allowed by the federal framework governing REAL IDs, non-permanent residents should not be able to get a REAL ID at all under any circumstances and the one for permanent residents should look obviously distinct from those for citizens. The point of this is to make it extremely obvious that a REAL ID holder is definitely a legal citizen, and therefore make it actually useful for proving citizenship or legal permanent residency.

Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

#240

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Except law is not a battle field, otherwise lawyers would decide the victors, or guns the outcomes of trials. Law is supposed to strive for justice, war is as lawless as it can get away with.

In this case, ICE officer's are being shot at.

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