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OpenAI says over a million people talk to ChatGPT about suicide weekly

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Re: OpenAI says over a million people talk to ChatGPT about suicide weekly

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Post by Al-Khwarizmi »

koakuma-chan wrote: post #212
hattmall wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Go to parties.... One of the 5 biggest party days is this Friday, and with it being on a Friday it will be more intense. A solid 3 nights of good parties. That's all you have to do, I do not understand how this is lost on people. Go to parties and have fun and meet people.

> Go to parties.... One of the 5 biggest party days is this Friday, and with it being on a Friday it will be more intense. You mean Halloween? > Go to parties and have fun and meet people. You mean standing with a glass of champagne in hand, smiling, and talking for the sake of talking? I don't understand how this is fun. I tried doing that, albeit without champagne, and that had not yielded anything other than an in…

It's fun for many of us due to the combination of music, dancing, alcohol and socialization (in varying proportions: depending on tastes, interests and circumstances, one or two of those aspects can be set to zero and it's still enjoyable).

Of course, it's also perfectly fine not to like it, and then the most reasonable course of action is not to go. Or to go a couple of times until you're sure you don't like it, and not go anymore. I know cases of people who go partying just because they want to find a partner, but don't enjoy it at all (it's relatively common in my country because partying is quite a religion and there's often a lot of social pressure at certain ages), and that's rather sad. There are other ways to socialize, it's not necessary at all to torture oneself.

That said, I have to lecture you on the questioning of "talking for the sake of talking". In the context of finding a partner, talking to other people is exactly what people need... it's not "for the sake of talking", it's for the sake of socializing, meeting new people, building connections, which is the whole point when we're talking about flirting or lack thereof.

Re: OpenAI says over a million people talk to ChatGPT about suicide weekly

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Post by hansmayer »

true_religion wrote: post #192
jacquesm wrote: post #187

HIPAA anybody? (1) they probably shouldn't even have that data (2) they shouldn't have it lying around in a way that it an be attributed to particular individuals (3) imagine that it leaks to the wrong party, it would make the hack of that Finnish institution look like child's play (4) if people try to engage it in such conversations the bot should immediately back out because it isn't qualified to have these convers…

HIPAA only applies to covered healthcare entitites. If you walk into a McDonalds' and talk about your suicidal ideation with the cashier, that's not HIPAA covered. To become a covered entity, the business has either work with a healhcare provider, health data trasmiter, or do business as one. Notably, even in the above case, HIPAA only applies to the healthcare part of the entity. So if McDonald's collocated pharmaci…

I don't know about HIPAA, but that there is that little body of criminal legislature talking about unathorised practice of medicine ?

Re: OpenAI says over a million people talk to ChatGPT about suicide weekly

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Post by heeton »

drdaeman wrote: post #223
skissane wrote: post #162

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> Mild/high-functional autism, as far as I understand it, is not even an illness but a variant of normalcy. Just different. As someone who actually has an ASD diagnosis, and also has kids with that diagnosis too, this kind of talk irritates me… If someone has a clinical diagnosis of ASD, they have a psychiatric diagnosis per the DSM/ICD. If you meet the criteria of the “Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Dis…

Sorry, I didn’t mean to possibly offend or irritate. And thank you for patiently explaining. TIL.

Your comment wasn’t wrong. Neither is the reply wrong to be frustrated about how the world understands this complex topic.

You’re talking about autism. The reply is about autism spectrum DISORDER.

Different things, exacerbated by the imprecise and evolving language we use to describe current understanding.

An individual can absolutely exhibit autistic traits, whilst also not meeting the diagnostic criteria for the disorder.

And autistic traits are absolutely a variant of normalcy. When you combine many together, and it affects you in a strongly negative way, now you meet ASD criteria.

Here’s a good description: https://www.autism.org.uk/advice-and-guidance/what-is-autism...

Re: OpenAI says over a million people talk to ChatGPT about suicide weekly

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Post by sammy2255 »

drawfloat wrote: post #135
sammy2255 wrote: post #113

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because I had hundreds of chats and image creations that I can no longer see. Can't even log in. My account was banned for "CSAM" even though I did no such thing, that's pretty insulting. Support doesn't reply, it's been over 4 months

I'd be careful going around advertising yourself publicly as banned for that, even if it's not true.

Why? It's not true at all and it's quite insulting actually

Re: OpenAI says over a million people talk to ChatGPT about suicide weekly

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Post by wobfan »

safety1st wrote: post #152
rich_sasha wrote: post #81

We've refined the human experience to extinction. In pursuit of that extra 0.1% of growth and extra 0.15 EPS, we've optimised and reoptimised until there isn't really space for being human. We're losing the ability to interact with each other socially, to flirt, now we're making life so stressful people literally want to kill themselves. All in a world (bubble) or abundance, where so much food is made, we literally d…

You don't need to withdraw from humanity, you only need to withdraw from Big Tech platforms. I'm continually amazed at the difference between the actual human race and the version of the human race that's presented to me online. The first one is basically great, everywhere I go, when I interact with them they're some mix of pleasant, friendly, hapless, busy, helpful, annoyed, basically just the whole range of things…

In my experience, >95% of the people you see online (comments, selfies, posts) seem way worse - more evil, arrogant, or enraging - than even the worst Obviously, “are way worse” means I interpret them that way. I regularly notice how I project the worst possible intentions onto random Reddit comments, even when they might be neutral or just uninformed. Sometimes it feels like my brain is wired to get angry at people. It’s a bit like how many people feel when driving: everyone else is evil, incompetent, or out to ruin your day. When in reality, they’re probably in the same situation as you - maybe they had a bad morning, overslept, or are rushing to work because their boss is upset (and maybe he had a bad morning too). They might even have a legitimate reason for driving recklessly, like dealing with an emergency. You never know.

For me, it all comes back to two things:

(1) Leave obnoxious, ad-driven platforms that ~need~ want (I mean, Mark Zuckerberg has to pay for cat food somehow) to make you mad, because that’s the easiest way to keep you engaged.

(2) Try to always see the human behind the usernames, photos, comments, and walking bodies on the street. They’re a person just like you, with their own problems, stresses, and unmet desires. They’re probably trying their best - just like you.

Re: OpenAI says over a million people talk to ChatGPT about suicide weekly

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Post by Al-Khwarizmi »

probably_wrong wrote: post #229

If you haven't read the article (or even if you have but didn't click on outgoing links twice ) the NYT story about how ChatGPT convinced a suicidal teen not to look for help [1] should convince you that ChatGPT should be nowhere near anyone dealing with psychological issues. Here's ChatGPT discouraging said teenager from asking for help: > “I want to leave my noose in my room so someone finds it and tries to stop me…

We would need the big picture, though... maybe it caused that death (which is awful) but it's also saving lives? If there are that many people confiding in it, I wouldn't be surprised if it actually prevents some suicides with encouraging comments, and that's not going to make the news.

Before declaring that it shouldn't be near anyone with psychological issues, someone in the relevant field should study whether the positive impact on suicides is greater than negative or vice versa (not a social scientist so I have no idea what the methodology would look like, but if should be doable... or if it currently isn't, we should find the way).

Re: OpenAI says over a million people talk to ChatGPT about suicide weekly

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Post by freestingo »

Keep in mind the purpose of all this “research” and “improvement” is just so OpenAI can have their cake (advertise their product as psychological supporter) and eat it too (avoid implementing any safeguards that would be required in any product for psychological support, but harmful for data collection). They just want to tell you that so many people write bad things it is inevitable :( what can we do :( proper handling would hurt our business model too much :(((

Re: OpenAI says over a million people talk to ChatGPT about suicide weekly

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Post by koakuma-chan »

dustypotato wrote: post #226
reeredfdfdf wrote: post #175

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Some of those men could meet someone if they quit Tinder or whatever crap online platform they might be using for dating, and start meeting people in real life. Worked for me at least. There's simply less competition and more space for genuine social interaction.

>start meeting people in real life. Depends on the country and person I guess. When I did try approaching women a few times, it was 10% angry looks, 30% awkward, 30% basic polite conversation to fulfill social obligation, and 30% friendly conversation. Unfortunately I'm not keen enough to pursue that 30% of friendly conversations by wading through the rest.

I know right? And tech is such a male-dominated industry, so presence of a female in your proximity is a rare event by itself. But, even if such an event occurs, as you said, interacting with a female is one hell of a minefield. Honestly, at this point, I cannot blame people for choosing to be gay. It is just so much easier to just talk to men, because you don't have to worry about all those mind games.

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Post by rcxdude »

drdaeman wrote: post #76
echelon wrote: post #43

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> By their definition of any mental illness, it can be anything from severe schizophrenia to mild autism. Depression, schizophrenia, and mild autism (which by their accounting probably also includes ADHD) should NOT be thrown together into the same bucket. These are wholly different things, with entirely different experiences, treatments, and management techniques.

Mild/high-functional autism, as far as I understand it, is not even an illness but a variant of normalcy. Just different.

At that level it in part depends on your point of view: There's a general requirement in the DSM for a disorder to be something that is causing distress to the patient or those around them, or an inability to function normally in society. So someone with the same symptoms could fall under those criteria or not depending on their outlook and life situation.
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