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If anything, it would be nice if a few places were left that didn't have American cultural artifacts everywhere. My experience in the Middle East was often wondering if I were actually in either an American colony or else some place that had dedicated itself to being a kind of museum of American culture, movies, models, advertising, and so forth.

100%. I'm excited to find somewhere not playing disco and skater boy, and instead supporting their local music. Hell, here in the UK I'm happy to hear Sheeran even though he's not really my style typically. I don't mention that because I like American cultural dominance, merely because it is so ubiquitous. I was in the middle of South Africa in the oughts and there were bootleg Britney Spears albums... Kind of shocki…

My experience here in Antwerp is that a lot of places also play French, Italian, German, Swedish (Abba), Greek, Mexican, Brazilian, and many others, and of course Flemish music mixed with British and American. Never only (or mainly) American for as long as I live (I'm 55).

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The default should be to treat people with respect and give benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise, treating people as guilty because of where they were born is always a crappy thing to do.

Which is a very interesting statement considering how the US is treating immigrants these days.

Immigrants, residents, citizens, protestors, journalists...

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Given that the EU after over 3.5 years of full scale invasion still buys Russian oil, should we also treat EU citizens as sponsors of the war?

Typical russian whataboutism.

EU countries with government infiltrated by russian agents are buying russian oil.

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Exactly right. There are trade deals forming between countries that in unprecedented ways to avoid dealing with the constantly changing tariffs while one country says they'll take their ball and play alone.

But the US is the bigger country just next to it, also the most practical to trade with. Trading with country further appart means less efficient in transport. Is it not still self inflicted harm?

No it is not. It would be being doormat to a bully and bully would come in bully them more.

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I'm not sure it's all that new. During the Bush Jr. years America was not highly thought of. I'm an American traveling through Scandinavia and Northern continental Europe for the last three weeks, now in the UK. I haven't experienced a bit of grief. Their opinion of our politics is generally separate from how they treat me personally, and I do the same for people of other nationalities. American cultural dominance is…

> Their opinion of our politics is generally separate from how they treat me personally, and I do the same for people of other nationalities. That is such a sane thing to do. I was always astonished and sad how often strangers in foreign countries instantly link my origin to the actions of the people in power. As if this is completely under my control and with no doubt I support and approve whatever they do.

> That is such a sane thing to do. I was always astonished and sad how often strangers in foreign countries instantly link my origin to the actions of the people in power. As if this is completely under my control and with no doubt I support and approve whatever they do.

I've never witnessed this happen. People (in person) are usually not aggressive and would not tell what's on their mind. Maybe if a Ukrainian and a Russian are to meet in a bar, things can get heated.

Mind to share the countries where you saw this happen?

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> Their opinion of our politics is generally separate from how they treat me personally, and I do the same for people of other nationalities. That is such a sane thing to do. I was always astonished and sad how often strangers in foreign countries instantly link my origin to the actions of the people in power. As if this is completely under my control and with no doubt I support and approve whatever they do.

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It’s actually quite shocking to leave the U.S. and experience the drastic fall in respect. The U.S. has over a century’s worth of dominance and control built in, so it’s not gonna unravel anytime soon and countries will need to grovel along for a bit. But the decoupling has begun, is almost certainly irreversible and is gonna hit Americans hard at most a decade from now. We have no idea the the chain of motion that h…

> It’s actually quite shocking to leave the U.S. and experience the drastic fall in respect. My only vantage point is from inside the U.S., but I find the loss of prestige completely believable. What amazed me was discovering that my own countrymen would vote in, and continue to support, someone like Trump. My political views are pretty centrist, and I thought I understood the views of most liberals and conservatives…

> It's like my mental framework has no way to model whatever is going on here.

It is historically in line with the U.S.A. The last few decades were the exception.

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I don't see it. Exporter pays: Consumer ends up paying price + tariff, then seller pays the tariff to the shipping company, which pays it to the government. Importer pays: Consumer pays price, then later pays the tariff to the shipping company, which pays it to the government. In both cases the consumer is paying price + tariff. A small difference is that some consumers could be psychologically tricked by the lower p…

To simplify: if the exporter lowers their price, the consumer pays the same, the exporter gets less, and the consumer pays the tariff to the government. If the exporter charges the same price, the consumer pays more, the exporter get the same as before, and the consumer pays the tariff to the government. The consumer always pays the tariff. The exporter never pays the tariff.

Sure but what actually matters is the consumer's value received vs value earned. In the end it isn't "who" pays, but who gains and who loses value in the net. NOTE: This includes government spending from the tariff.

If the foreign supplier pays the tariff the country COULD be better off in net terms when you add the consumer + government together assuming the government spends all it takes which in a deficit situation is a reasonable assumption.

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It’s actually quite shocking to leave the U.S. and experience the drastic fall in respect. The U.S. has over a century’s worth of dominance and control built in, so it’s not gonna unravel anytime soon and countries will need to grovel along for a bit. But the decoupling has begun, is almost certainly irreversible and is gonna hit Americans hard at most a decade from now. We have no idea the the chain of motion that h…

I'm not sure it's all that new. During the Bush Jr. years America was not highly thought of. I'm an American traveling through Scandinavia and Northern continental Europe for the last three weeks, now in the UK. I haven't experienced a bit of grief. Their opinion of our politics is generally separate from how they treat me personally, and I do the same for people of other nationalities. American cultural dominance is…

Considering how many places are actively going to sh*t in the world right now, I'm not surprised that people have grown weary of keeping track of which are the 'bad' countries we're supposed to dislike, at the same time, thanks to globalized work and social media, people have realized that people are people everywhere, and governments are varying degrees of shitty in every country, with people even in the supposedly more democratic ones feeling powerless in affecting how they are governed.

I know a ton of Russian emigrees, and basically nobody gives them grief (until some of them start talking politics).

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