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Re: Tennessee man arrested, accused of threatening a shooting, after posting meme

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NARRATOR: he was, in fact, proud of his behavior there, plainly visible by comparing such behavior to hundreds of other publicly recorded instances of such behavior for which he was also quite proud

But that’s not true - it was uncharacteristic. There are many instances where he was kind to someone being openly aggressive towards him and one where he made fun of Paul Pelosi.

kind to people....who he was speaking to directly in person? or making social media references while they were not present (or adding them to dox lists so they could be harassed for years with death threats [1]) ? This is the key difference of course. It's also a really basic technique of horrible people to come off as very empathetic and friendly in person under specific circumstances so people are fooled in exactly this way, giving them full leeway to do horrible things elsewhere (such as maintaining dox lists to terrorize people into submission, or referring to women of color as having lesser "brain processing power" - e.g. unfiltered racism [2]....oh or insisting that children should be forced to watch executions [3]).

[1] https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/charlie-kirk-professor-...

[2] https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/charlie-kirk-black-women/

[3] https://meidasnews.com/news/charlie-kirk-wants-coca-cola-spo...

Re: Tennessee man arrested, accused of threatening a shooting, after posting meme

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Tennessee just seems like not a First Amendment state. Here's another from 2021 https://apnews.com/article/meme-arrest-officer-killed-lawsui...

Douglas Mackey was also convicted of posting fake election stuff like "avoid the line. Vote at home" with a phone number. But it looks like he was later cleared.

So the memeing can get you in trouble and people will either say you were "just memeing" or "posting dangerous misinformation/threats" depending on their political stance.

Re: Tennessee man arrested, accused of threatening a shooting, after posting meme

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Even when it isn't? Edit: what your type tends to be highly obtuse to, is the impending reality of blowback, where your warping of law is turned upon you. But it feels so good now, it must be worth it. Abuse of power has serious consequences.

"my type". based on what, exactly? i don't like this administration — at all — and I believe we're definitionally in a fascist state now. the lives of many of my friends & family have been devastated by drugs. 80k+ americans die every year from overdose. i understand why you may disagree with me with and i'm not going to dismiss your concerns out-of-hand but multinational illegal drug enterprises are absolutely an as…

Preface: I'm not interested in debating this topic here. Therefore I'll be concise, abridged and probably glib.

Your term "assault", can legally, imply a prelude to battery. Maybe that's a stupid point.

And I do not wish to dismiss your concerns either.

However, if you endeavor to qualify the transport of potentially fatal materials as violence, such would be a highly abstract interpretation requiring an unprecedented overhaul of the present system.

If someone is caught planning a violent act, e.g. performing internet search queries for "how to do terrible x and accomplish terrible y, the rule of law doesn't permit immediately executing the individual. Traditionally, a trial ensues where possibilities of error and other critical considerations are made in order to ensure greater probabilities of a just outcome, hence Justice. An immediate threat and remote hypothetical threat are treated differently. If Bob knows you plan to kill him on Friday, but he finds you while you're doing laundry and kills you Thursday, while tactically legit, it doesn't work legally. Extrajudicial is what we might call this. But regular folks wouldn't earn the term.

But that's barely the surface. If transport qualifies as violence, then the users that contribute or essentially enable the entire cycle must be included. So now we are killing foreign boaters in the Caribbean and e.g. Hunter Biden on his jetski as he swirls around the Florida Keys high on fentanyl. We'll need to kill his hooker friend too, because she directly supports these transporters.

It gets much sillier from here, all the way until you kill Bill because he spent money at the same pizza parlor as the guy who sold the baggy that overdosed your friend.

And then comes the strange dynamics where you need to kill me because my self-righteous doctor won't prescribe me pain management for my cancer because xyz and I'm looking on the streets for some kind of relief.

But we needn't go that far. We can go back to the top and kill the growers. And their children which might aid and abet them. And certainly a few chemists here and there.

It gets way messier. If you fail to kill me, I might have a grudge. Because I was not trying to hurt anyone. I'm in pain and just want help.

While this all takes place, other artistically inclined persons superimpose their own values upon the law.

But really, a few guys steering a boat full of drugs is not violence. Certainly not an imminent threat especially after they've been identified. It's the potential for violence, but so is our trusty old proverbial hammer.

Re: Tennessee man arrested, accused of threatening a shooting, after posting meme

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That is directly linked in the article, in the sentence "The image was one of several Bushart posted".

Thanks, I must have clicked on every link in the article except that one. Here it is to save anyone else: https://wopclive.linkedupradio.com/assets/images/2025/IMG_73...

I appreciate it

Re: Tennessee man arrested, accused of threatening a shooting, after posting meme

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That should be where the right to a speedy trial comes into play. If he is held in jail because he isn't released on bail, the best thing to do is repeatedly file motions for the speedy trial.

I think if there's a major constitutional right to be invoked here, it's the Eighth Amendment "excessive bail shall not be required". Two million dollars?! For a 61-year-old posting on Facebook? What kind of risk does he pose exactly?

Regardless of bail, IMO you are almost always better off staying in jail if at all possible and forcing the state to a speedy trial.

I watched a close family member go through the process after getting out on bail. The charge was effectively a he-said she-said situation, at a time when that was going especially poorly for the he involved.

He bailed out and took his lawyer's advice to wait the state out. That turned into a 4 year delay for what was technically a misdemeanor charge with a 1-year max charge. The trial was a joke and they offered effectively no evidence beyond one testimony contradicted by another witness directly in the room at the time.

Who knows what would have happened in a speedy trial. If nothing else, a 1-year sentence would have been completed 3 years earlier than the trial he had even happened.

Re: Tennessee man arrested, accused of threatening a shooting, after posting meme

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I think if there's a major constitutional right to be invoked here, it's the Eighth Amendment "excessive bail shall not be required". Two million dollars?! For a 61-year-old posting on Facebook? What kind of risk does he pose exactly?

Regardless of bail, IMO you are almost always better off staying in jail if at all possible and forcing the state to a speedy trial. I watched a close family member go through the process after getting out on bail. The charge was effectively a he-said she-said situation, at a time when that was going especially poorly for the he involved. He bailed out and took his lawyer's advice to wait the state out. That turned i…

>Regardless of bail, IMO you are almost always better off staying in jail if at all possible and forcing the state to a speedy trial.

I'm guessing that you have the means to pay your bills for years before having to worry about losing your income and your home. Most folks don't.

If you're in jail, you can't work. If you don't go to work, you'll lose your job. If you lose your job and you're like most people in the US, within a few months, you can't pay your mortgage or rent, so you'll lose your home as well as any belongings in that home.

Which are the biggest reasons why high/no bail forces folks to accept plea deals. "Speedy Trial" laws generally don't even enter into it.

Re: Tennessee man arrested, accused of threatening a shooting, after posting meme

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Regardless of bail, IMO you are almost always better off staying in jail if at all possible and forcing the state to a speedy trial. I watched a close family member go through the process after getting out on bail. The charge was effectively a he-said she-said situation, at a time when that was going especially poorly for the he involved. He bailed out and took his lawyer's advice to wait the state out. That turned i…

>Regardless of bail, IMO you are almost always better off staying in jail if at all possible and forcing the state to a speedy trial. I'm guessing that you have the means to pay your bills for years before having to worry about losing your income and your home. Most folks don't. If you're in jail, you can't work. If you don't go to work, you'll lose your job. If you lose your job and you're like most people in the US…

> I'm guessing that you have the means to pay your bills for years before having to worry about losing your income and your home. Most folks don't.

That's a pretty big assumption that also happens to be wrong. I specifically said "if at all possible" because I'm well aware that plenty of people can't put everything on hold for 30-60 days and have to potentially start over after that's done.

If someone can in any way afford it, though, I would always recommend that approach. As soon as one is embroiled in the legal system its terrible no matter what the end result is. Either way the outcome is bad, if you can expedite the process you are better off.

Re: Tennessee man arrested, accused of threatening a shooting, after posting meme

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>Regardless of bail, IMO you are almost always better off staying in jail if at all possible and forcing the state to a speedy trial. I'm guessing that you have the means to pay your bills for years before having to worry about losing your income and your home. Most folks don't. If you're in jail, you can't work. If you don't go to work, you'll lose your job. If you lose your job and you're like most people in the US…

> I'm guessing that you have the means to pay your bills for years before having to worry about losing your income and your home. Most folks don't. That's a pretty big assumption that also happens to be wrong. I specifically said "if at all possible" because I'm well aware that plenty of people can't put everything on hold for 30-60 days and have to potentially start over after that's done. If someone can in any way…

I don't know anyone except the retired, who can afford to put everything on hold for 30-60 days (which in most cases will mean losing one's job). A small number of us have the savings to do that.

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I certainly believe in the argument so no problem ascribing it to me.

For what it's worth, I don't think the science on this is settled. I think the evidence swings towards too many irresponsible Americans having too many guns. But the single-family bias in school shooters is something I hadn't read about before. One takeaway from that evidence, however, could be that single-parent homes should have restrictions on how many guns they can own, what kind of guns those can be and how they…

Personally I think it's a bona fide societal mental health problem. The American ideal of hyper-individualist self-reliance implies you are utterly on your own. This means that everything that happens to you is your fault, and you can only right it by taking responsibility to fix it yourself. But it's kind of impossible to simply stop yourself from being bullied, because "if you could have, you would have".

Coupled with entertainment that primarily revolves around people aiming guns at each other while barking orders, then shooting to see who gets to be in charge, then more aiming/barking. Guns are framed as the obvious solution to problems, and the media reinforces this by making sure every shooter gets their 15 minutes (or days). Frankly with this setup, the surprising thing is that there aren't more mass shootings.

Re: Tennessee man arrested, accused of threatening a shooting, after posting meme

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Do you want to post an example? Kirk would defend students being harassed for unrelated political matters - eg the most recent case on his channel was an Agriculture major who had to take some kind of 'equity in agriculture' class and was being bothered by her professor for not being left leaning.

Kirk on the attack against Pelosi husband: “Why has he not been bailed out? [] By the way, if some amazing patriot out there in San Francisco or the Bay Area wants to really be a midterm hero, someone should go and bail this guy out,..." That was about attacker by the way. Like common, the start if Kirks career was making a list of "leftists professors" and promoting their harassment. Kirk literally intentionally cre…

> leftists professors" and promoting their harassment

That’s an incredible inversion of defending students from professors demanding conformance to their political beliefs rather than educating.

https://www.professorwatchlist.org/

> He was literally against civil rights, openly.

The silly thing about criticising a public speaker for saying things they didn’t is there are ample videos of them speaking about the topic.

No. He pointed out correctly that black Americans were poorer now than they were in 1950, and pointed out that one cause could be how the civil rights Act (which is not the same thing as civil rights) was interpreted. You can easily look up the many conversations on this topic for yourself.

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8A5e3Nb/

> trans are all groomers

Here’s how he handled a trans identifying child:

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8A5dgQa/

I found these while searching and thought they were sweet: https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8A5S9Gv/ https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8A59yhk/

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8A5GoW1/

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