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Re: BYD builds fastest car

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Post by triceratops »

aurareturn wrote: post #221
cobbaut wrote: post #218

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It would be great if the USA invested half of its military budget in all these technologies instead of claiming that those Chinese investments are 'destroying' the USA economy. I have the impression that the USA is very capable, yet somehow chooses not to compete (on a technological investment level).

Because the US has moved onto a services economy. People don't want to build physical things. It's hard work, less pay, more pollution. They want to do consulting or software mostly. And this has made the US more wealthy than ever with easier lives.

That works until it doesn't. Moderation in all things.

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Post by moi2388 »

StopDisinfo910 wrote: post #191
moi2388 wrote: post #149

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Deterrence is a very good reason, and the reason we’ve had peace in the western world for as long as we have.

Integrated markets and commerce is why we have had peace in the western world. The very things the current American head honcho is tearing apart. We have had very little peace in the rest of the world in the meantime between the colonial wars, the various proxy wars of the Cold War, then the numerous stupid adventures of the modern America and now Russia wanting to be an empire again.

I don’t think integrated markets were the cause. There was plenty of integration between Ukraine and Russia in the oil and gas infrastructure for example.

(Nuclear) deterrence is why we’ve only had proxy wars instead of direct wars

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Post by triceratops »

nickpp wrote: post #201
contrarian1234 wrote: post #189

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> As shown time and again what a load of warmongering bs.. I literally can't think of a single example. Korea, Vietnam, France, Britain, Japan, Germany every country involved in a war in the past ~100 years had prepared for it. Maybe maybe Iraq under Saddam Hussein didn't properly prepare? Though they were highly militarized. On the contrary, the more you prepare and get people frothing at the mouth the more likely i…

So what do you propose we do when China attacks? Capitulate?!

Why "when"?

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

tooltalk wrote: post #224
gkanai wrote: post #112

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> it would be great to be able to get one in the USA. Allowing in Chinese EVs into markets where there are important domestic auto manufacturers will be very bad for those domestic manufacturers. (US, Germany, France, S.Korea, Japan, etc.) Outside of Tesla, none have EV brands competitive with the Chinese firms and if customers in those non China markets migrate to Chinese brands en masse, it would be tremendous disr…

> Allowing in Chinese EVs into markets where there are important domestic auto manufacturers will be very bad for those domestic manufacturers. I want a level playing field/market competition. Allowing China's illegal subsidies and anti-market tactics to dominate the global EV industry is very dangerous, which is why they are already countervailed in many developed countries. Subsidies aren't necessarily bad, but it'…

China's EV subsidies are basically identical to US and EU subsidies. They offer tax credits and other perks to customers, just like in Western countries.

Subsidies are not the reason why China's EVs are cheap. The reason is that China has a much more competitive EV market than the US or EU. There are many manufacturers that are competing with one another, the charging infrastructure is much better than in the West, and Chinese cities heavily discourage internal combustion engine vehicles.

> Subsidies aren't necessarily bad, but it's become China's choice of blunt instrument to price out/drive out foreign competition.

China specifically encouraged foreign car companies to enter its market, most recently Tesla (which has done very well in China). Allowing foreign car companies to compete in the Chinese market was a major part of China's strategy to improve its own domestic manufacturing.

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Post by triceratops »

gamblor956 wrote: post #129
ryandrake wrote: post #82

Ever since I rode in a BYD in China I've thought it would be great to be able to get one in the USA. It just really felt complete, put together and polished in a way that I haven't seen in a "normie" U.S. car in a long time. Too bad our country uses high tariffs and regulatory barriers to protect its dinosaur companies.

Contrasting opinion: BYD made electric busses for US transit agencies. They were the worst buses that I have ever ridden. Today, no U.S. transit agency still uses BYD busses, because none of them managed a service live longer than about a year. BYD vehicles seem really nice for the first few hours, until you start discovering all the corners they cut to make their price point.

> [no BYD buses] managed a service live [sic] longer than about a year.

Gonna need a source for this.

Re: BYD builds fastest car

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Post by aurareturn »

triceratops wrote: post #230
aurareturn wrote: post #222

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One of the leading indicators of not being able to do the "hard" thing anymore is that Apple gave up on building an EV after spending a decade and billions in R&D. Meanwhile, Huawei and Xiaomi were both able to produce good EVs. Xiaomi in particular is doing what Apple wanted to do which is to integrate and control their ecosystem from phone to car. Xiaomi is literally trying to make everything from phones, cars, ele…

My impression was Apple gave up on building EVs because they wouldn't be as profitable as phones and tablets.

Phones weren't that profitable too before the iPhone. They did it anyway.

Re: BYD builds fastest car

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Post by tim333 »

jansan wrote: post #19
dmix wrote: post #16

video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aD9v1WyAgLA same car doing Nürburgring Lap https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=td_c1zeEn2Q > The U9 was developed by German car designer Wolfgang Egger, who previously served as a head designer for Alfa Romeo, Audi and Lamborghini, and began working for BYD in 2017. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yangwang_U9

Seven minutes for the Nordschleife? Sabine Schmitz could have done that with a van. But honestly, ther are a Lot of production cars that went considerably faster. And the non-production Porsche 919 Hybrid EVO did it in 5:19, which is an entirely different league.

Here's Sabine Schmitz falling to break 10 mins in a van https://youtu.be/5KiC03_wVjc Although with a slightly quicker van maybe.

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Post by whatevaa »

aurareturn wrote: post #236
triceratops wrote: post #230

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My impression was Apple gave up on building EVs because they wouldn't be as profitable as phones and tablets.

Phones weren't that profitable too before the iPhone. They did it anyway.

Because they found a new approach (smartphones). There's nothing new with cars.

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Post by aurareturn »

whatevaa wrote: post #238
aurareturn wrote: post #236

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Phones weren't that profitable too before the iPhone. They did it anyway.

Because they found a new approach (smartphones). There's nothing new with cars.

Self driving cars? Apple taxis service? Apple family self driving vans? Owning the entire experience of taking people from one place to another?

They simply thought it was too hard and went back to what was already working.

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Post by happymellon »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #228
refurb wrote: post #219

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Not sure why this is downvoted. The Chinese government has been quite transparent in terms of globally dominating several industries including EV through heavy government support. It would make no sense to destroy your own industry because it can’t compete with a heavily subsidized foreign industry.

If it is such a successful strategy, why doesn't everybody do it?

Subsidise industries?

Everyone does.

China funds it upfront, while the US does it after the spending and calls it a bail-out, or a "government contract"

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