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Re: Kagi News

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Post by cgsmith »

nicbou wrote: post #171
whatamidoingyo wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> when you ask an LLM to point to 'sources' for the information it outputs, as far as I know there is no guarantee that those are correct A lot of times when I ask for a source, I get broken links. I'm not sure if the links existed at one point, or if the LLM is just hallucinating where it thinks a link should exist. CDN libraries, for example. Or sources to specific laws.

I monitor 404 errors on my website. ChatGPT frequently sends traffic to pages that never existed. Sometimes the information they refer to has never existed on my website. For example: "/glossary/love-parade" - There is no mention of this on my website. "/guides/blue-card-germany" has always been at "/guides/blue-card". I don't know what "/guides/cost-of-beer-distribution" even refers to.

Definitely need an LLM to just generate it automatically on the fly! Welcome to the future! (Just kidding please don't (generate automatically))

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Post by jjice »

captainkrtek wrote: post #36
jjice wrote: post #11

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I like assistant, but I use Claude directly mostly. It's handy for really quick stuff though. I like that Kagi charges for their service, so their motive is to provide services for that cost, and not with ads on top of it.

It feels much less slimy to pay a nominal fee for a service than it does to use a "free" service and wonder about how / to what extent your data is being exploited.

100% agree. Free services have their place, but I'd love to have more paid service alternatives for derives that only exist as "free".

That said, all my friends think I'm insane and poke fun at me for paying for search, so I imagine we're a small minority.

People just hate paying for software in general in my experience, especially a subscription.

I have multiple good friends who refuse to pay 99 cents a month to get 50gb of iCloud storage so they can backup their phones, and instead of all their precious memories on a single device that is out and about.

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Post by insane_dreamer »

Every single news aggregation services promises the same "signal over noise" and "just the facts". I'm so numb from hearing that, that I don't believe it anymore.

I do however like the fact that Kagi only pushes _once_ a day. Drinking from the firehose is physically and mentally exhausting. Even daily feels like too much these days other than a quick check to make sure the world didn't implode or the Rapture happened while I was busy trying to get CC to behave.

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Post by guybedo »

i'm doing something like this, summarizing HN posts because most of the time when there's hundreds or thousands of comments, it's not possible to read everything and i feel like i'm missing something.

So far, i quite enjoy having a summary with bullet points.

For example, here's the summary of this discussion: https://extraakt.com/extraakts/kagi-s-daily-news-ritual-spar...

Re: Kagi News

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Post by captainkrtek »

jjice wrote: post #232
captainkrtek wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It feels much less slimy to pay a nominal fee for a service than it does to use a "free" service and wonder about how / to what extent your data is being exploited.

100% agree. Free services have their place, but I'd love to have more paid service alternatives for derives that only exist as "free". That said, all my friends think I'm insane and poke fun at me for paying for search, so I imagine we're a small minority. People just hate paying for software in general in my experience, especially a subscription. I have multiple good friends who refuse to pay 99 cents a month to get…

I think the whole "if it's free, you're the product" nugget of information has not been broadly understood by folks, or if it has, maybe folks don't care as much about their data.

I do live these days with the understanding that pretty much all of my personal info is out there one way or another, a social security number is about as private as a phone number these days.

Re: Kagi News

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Post by atonse »

rdlw wrote: post #215
atonse wrote: post #105

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They are LLM generated summaries, sure. I guess I'm trying to understand your comment. Is there a distinction you're making between LLM summaries or LLM generated text, or are you stating that they aren't being transparent about the summaries being generated by LLMs (as opposed to what? human editors?). Because at some point when I launched the app, it did say summaries might be inaccurate. Looks like you found an ex…

> as opposed to what? human editors? ...yes? If I go to a website called "_ News" (present company included), I expect to see either news stories aggregated by humans or news stories written and fact checked by humans. That's why newspapers have fact checking departments, but they're being replaced by something with almost none of the utility and its proponents are framing the benefits of the old system as impossible…

I think you misunderstood my comment. I wasn't challenging the concept of human editors and fact checkers. I was asking a parent for a clarification of what the parent post meant by outlining that they were LLM generated summaries.

Like, I was asking whether they were expecting the curation/summarization to be done by humans at Kagi News.

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Post by thfuran »

jjice wrote: post #232
captainkrtek wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It feels much less slimy to pay a nominal fee for a service than it does to use a "free" service and wonder about how / to what extent your data is being exploited.

100% agree. Free services have their place, but I'd love to have more paid service alternatives for derives that only exist as "free". That said, all my friends think I'm insane and poke fun at me for paying for search, so I imagine we're a small minority. People just hate paying for software in general in my experience, especially a subscription. I have multiple good friends who refuse to pay 99 cents a month to get…

It's pretty well established that people are just generally irrational about free things. Because of this, I think any business model involving giving something away for free, whether it's a loss leader or or ad supported or something else, is fundamentally anti-competetive. Cognitive biases place any competitor charging for the good/service at a disadvantage. If you're a non profit, go ahead and give things away. If you're a business, you should have to charge.

Re: Kagi News

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Post by wintermutestwin »

jacobgkau wrote: post #201
hadlock wrote: post #166

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Publishing once a day to remove the "slot machine dopamine hit" is worth it for that alone. I have forever been looking for a peer/replacement to Google News, I was about to pony up for a Ground News subscription but I'll probably hold off for a couple more months. Alternatives to google news have been sorely lacking for over a decade, especially since google news got their mobile-first redesign which significantly a…

> Gmail is gonna be real hard though. Gmail seems like the easiest piece of the Google puzzle to replace. Different calendar systems have different quirks around repeating events, you sometimes need to try a variety of search engines to find what you're looking for, Docs aren't bug-for-bug equivalent to the Office or iCloud competitors, YouTube has audience, monetization, and hosting scale... Gmail is just "make an e…

I am sticking with this reprehensible company for email because their spam detection is awesome and I have found no clear measurements of detection to reasonably compare. I’d love to be proven wrong!
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