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Re: Helium Browser

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Post by dani_kagi »

crossroadsguy wrote: post #121
jitl wrote: post #49

This is neat, and reminds me of Kagi's browser Orion, since their hero image features Kagi search. Orion is WebKit based, so it uses less battery and feels faster to me compared to Chromium browsers, yet it largely supports Chrome extensions via a compatibility layer; like Helium uBlock Origin is included by default. It also has vertical tabs which is essential for me, and open-url routing between profiles. However,…

Orion was a very unstable/buggy app. I don't know how it is now. The funny thing is when I had reached out to their support with a detailed bug report, they asked me to go to GitHub issues instead (or their feedback forum; not sure whether they had moved). I asked them to pass it to the team since I had already shared it and these were easily and always reproducible; I had added proper steps as well. They said - nope…

I'm sorry you had this experience. If you still have the bug report please send it to daniel.langh at kagi.com. I'll check on your original report and see how we can improve our communication going forward.

Re: Helium Browser

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Post by willi59549879 »

Zardoz84 wrote: post #196
indy wrote: post #189

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Hopefully the Ladybird browser will become a viable choice soon

I hope that not. Or at least, get out of the control of the controversial person behind it. If I would put all the eggs on a basket, I will prefer Servo.

Controversial by saying he doesn't want politics in software. For me that is a good thing.

Re: Helium Browser

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Post by pjmlp »

rjh29 wrote: post #185
pjmlp wrote: post #150

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Yeah, everyone is doing their little contribution to help Google take over the Web and turn it into ChromeOS Platform. Why did we ever bothered with the IE lawsuit, for a newer generation to give the Web on a plate to Google?

Because at the time IE6 was a terrible browser with poor standards support, while Chrome is an excellent browser with leading standards support. It is a gilded cage.

That is revisionism, IE only stagnated because they kind of wipedout the competition, like Chrome is today, and Microsoft withdraw most of the development resources from the team.

WPF XAML was originally designed by ex IE team members, and they were the same that a few years later proposed XAML Grid concept as CSS Grid initial design.

Many JavaScript devs have to thank their abuse of JavaScript in the browser to XMLHttpRequest introduced by IE.

Re: Helium Browser

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Post by pjmlp »

vovavili wrote: post #210
pjmlp wrote: post #150

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Yeah, everyone is doing their little contribution to help Google take over the Web and turn it into ChromeOS Platform. Why did we ever bothered with the IE lawsuit, for a newer generation to give the Web on a plate to Google?

The last thing Google would want is the web to turn into a Chrome platform. Unlike with Microsoft or even Apple, their source of revenue is web, and they they are doing everything in their capacity for this platform to win. This is exactly why they open-sourced most of Chrome and almost fully finance Chrome's biggest competitor.

They already did, Safari is the only one left standing, by the market share.

Plus all the Electron crap that gets shoved as "native".

Re: Helium Browser

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Post by esskay »

FlyingSnake wrote: post #137
vasco wrote: post #132

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How is firefox legitimate competition when they are basically financed by Google?

Because it's the only other browser engine that's currently available in the market.

Which sucks because it's not exactly fantastic as a competitor. There's still very, very noticeable performance differences and render speed/pattern differences that after you've been using a chromium based browser for a long time give firefox a feeling of being slow (it's not, it is absolutely just a perception thing, but it's enough to put you off using it)

Re: Helium Browser

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Post by godelski »

swiftcoder wrote: post #177
rkomorn wrote: post #160

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Are you saying that, because people don't want to buy browsers, the end result is we only get the ones that can be financed by companies that sell other things (which in this day and age is ads, with only a few exceptions)? I'd agree. Although I'd also add: people don't want to sell software anymore, they want to sell subscriptions, and I personally do not have much desire to pay $10/month for a browser (and then get…

The subscription thing is key, although maybe a generational thing. I would happily pay a flat $60-100 for each major version upgrade I choose to adopt, but I won't just give them a direct monthly tap into my bank account.

So do you donate that amount every major release?

Re: Helium Browser

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Post by dani_kagi »

setsewerd wrote: post #73
jitl wrote: post #49

This is neat, and reminds me of Kagi's browser Orion, since their hero image features Kagi search. Orion is WebKit based, so it uses less battery and feels faster to me compared to Chromium browsers, yet it largely supports Chrome extensions via a compatibility layer; like Helium uBlock Origin is included by default. It also has vertical tabs which is essential for me, and open-url routing between profiles. However,…

I love Kagi as a search engine but the Orion UI feels too similar to Safari to really enjoy it as much. I do enjoy vertical tabs, faster browsing, better privacy obviously. But "largely" is doing some heavy lifting in your mention of chrome extension support. I use about a dozen chrome extensions typically and about 4 of them are supported by Orion last I checked. Although of course #12 in Chrome is the Kagi search e…

Thanks for the feedback, I definitely see some wonkiness with the bookmarks bar and forwarded them to the team to investigate.

Re: Helium Browser

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Post by andriesm »

johnisgood wrote: post #221
lenkite wrote: post #208

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Does the person's political opinion even matter if the product is good quality ? 20 years ago, nobody used to care.

I remember the times, too, when the person behind the code did not matter. The code did.

I had to google the controversy, found one dedicated blog site page about it, read it thoroughly and think it is insane to call this dude controversial based on what I read on https://hyperborea.org/reviews/software/ladybird-inclusivity...

I'm tired of people who are doing such great work being labeled politically over things like pronoun preferences and somehow this is supposed to make us wish for the projects failure OR the founder's expulsion from his own project.

(oh dear I forgot to imagine the project lead could also be female - damn you English language!)

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