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This is throwing more cards on the house of cards. Nvidia is “investing” in OpenAI so OpenAI can buy GPUs from NVidia. Textbook “round tripping.” I generally like what’s been happening with AI but man this is gonna crash hard when reality sets in. We’re reaching the scary stage of a bubble where folks are forced to throw more and more cash on the fire to keep it going with no clear path to ever get that cash back. If…

Really curious how xAI is working out financially. Grok blows me away for coding.

Re: OpenAI and Nvidia announce partnership to deploy 10GW of Nvidia systems

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post #108

This is throwing more cards on the house of cards. Nvidia is “investing” in OpenAI so OpenAI can buy GPUs from NVidia. Textbook “round tripping.” I generally like what’s been happening with AI but man this is gonna crash hard when reality sets in. We’re reaching the scary stage of a bubble where folks are forced to throw more and more cash on the fire to keep it going with no clear path to ever get that cash back. If…

Sure, but its going to be a great plot for the movie that comes out in five years.

Re: OpenAI and Nvidia announce partnership to deploy 10GW of Nvidia systems

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Almost every model trained by the majors has paid for itself with inference fees. I’m not saying there isn’t a bubble, but I am saying if the researchers and strategists absolutely closest to the “metal” of realtime frontier models are correct that AGI is in reach, then this isn’t a bubble, it’s a highly rational race. One that large players seem to be winning right now.

> Almost every model trained by the majors has paid for itself with inference fees. Even if we assume this is true, the downstream customers paying for that inference also need it to pay for itself on average in order for the upstream model training to be sustainable, otherwise the demand for inference will dry up when the music stops. There won't always be a parade of over-funded AI startups burning $10 worth of tok…

Tokens that can be purchased for $10 may or may provide the purchaser with almost any dollar denominated result, from negative-billions* to postive-billions**.

Right now, I assume more the former than the latter. But if you're an optimistic investor, I can see why one might think a few hundred billion dollars more might get us an AI that's close enough to the latter to be worth it.

Me, I'm mostly hoping that the bubble pops soon in a way I can catch up with what the existing models can already provide real help with (which is well short of an entire project, but still cool and significant).

* e.g. the tokens are bad financial advice that might as well be a repeat of SBF

** how many tokens would get you the next Minecraft?

Re: OpenAI and Nvidia announce partnership to deploy 10GW of Nvidia systems

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post #108

This is throwing more cards on the house of cards. Nvidia is “investing” in OpenAI so OpenAI can buy GPUs from NVidia. Textbook “round tripping.” I generally like what’s been happening with AI but man this is gonna crash hard when reality sets in. We’re reaching the scary stage of a bubble where folks are forced to throw more and more cash on the fire to keep it going with no clear path to ever get that cash back. If…

You know you can sell inferencing at near 100% margins, right? More, even.

Re: OpenAI and Nvidia announce partnership to deploy 10GW of Nvidia systems

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Ben Thompson and Doug O'Laughlin ( https://stratechery.com/2025/the-oracle-inflection-point-app... (paywall), https://www.fabricatedknowledge.com/p/capital-cycles-and-ai ) are calling it a bubble, largely because we've entered the cycle where cash flows aren't paying for it, but debt is (See Oracle. they won't be able to pay for their investment with cash flow).

I think even Byrne Hobart would agree (from his interview with Ben): -- Bubbles are this weird financial phenomenon where asset prices move in a way that does not seem justified by economic fundamentals. A lot of money pours into some industry, a lot of stuff gets built, and usually too much of it gets built and a bunch of people lose their shirts and a lot of very smart, sophisticated people are involved with the beginning, a lot of those people are selling at the peak, and a lot of people who are buying at the peak are less smart, less sophisticated, but they’ve been kind of taken in by the vibe and they’re buying at the wrong time and they lose their shirts, and that’s really bad. --

This is a classic bubble. It starts, builds, and ends the same way. The technology is valuable, but it gets overbought/overproduced. Still no telling when it may pop, but remember asset values across many categories are rich right now and this could hurt.

Re: OpenAI and Nvidia announce partnership to deploy 10GW of Nvidia systems

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post #108

This is throwing more cards on the house of cards. Nvidia is “investing” in OpenAI so OpenAI can buy GPUs from NVidia. Textbook “round tripping.” I generally like what’s been happening with AI but man this is gonna crash hard when reality sets in. We’re reaching the scary stage of a bubble where folks are forced to throw more and more cash on the fire to keep it going with no clear path to ever get that cash back. If…

Really curious how xAI is working out financially. Grok blows me away for coding.

It's interesting how profitable Tesla is despite the huge investments in their AI training infrastructure. They seem to be one of the best positioned companies that can maintain enough profitability to be able to afford their AI infrastructure without issue.

Re: OpenAI and Nvidia announce partnership to deploy 10GW of Nvidia systems

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For scale: The 1960's era US Navy submarine I served on had a 78MW reactor, so 10GW is 128 nuclear submarines

For a better sense of scale: it's about 2% of the average US electricity consumption, and about the same as the average electricity consumption of the Netherlands (18 million people)

Wtf, and this is from 1 company

How many atrophic,xAi,google,Microsoft would be????

having around 5% entire country infrastructure on AI hardware seems excessive no???

Re: OpenAI and Nvidia announce partnership to deploy 10GW of Nvidia systems

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post #108

This is throwing more cards on the house of cards. Nvidia is “investing” in OpenAI so OpenAI can buy GPUs from NVidia. Textbook “round tripping.” I generally like what’s been happening with AI but man this is gonna crash hard when reality sets in. We’re reaching the scary stage of a bubble where folks are forced to throw more and more cash on the fire to keep it going with no clear path to ever get that cash back. If…

I do not think the leveraging is going to end there. I suspect this will be used to justify/secure power generation investments, possibly even nuclear. Likely via one or more of the OpenAI/Altman adjacent power startups.

Isn't that already happening via Oklo? Up 500%+ YTD.

Re: OpenAI and Nvidia announce partnership to deploy 10GW of Nvidia systems

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Did I miss the part where they mention the 10 large nuclear plants needed to power this new operation? Where's all the power coming from for this?

Also water. You will be rationed, OpenAI will not. https://www.newstarget.com/2025-08-02-texas-ai-data-centers-...

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