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Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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The debris is pretty close to the color of the road. Seems like a good case for radar/lidar ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

And yet the humans detected it without lidar?

Human eyes are better by most metrics than any camera, and certainly any camera which costs less than a car. Also, obviously, our visual processing is, by most metrics, so much better than the best CV (never mind the sort of CV that can run realtime in a car) that it's not even funny.

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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In America, you fail the second you apologize or take accountability. Ignoring criticism and deflecting all the time gets you further, as it is part of the game. Unfortunately, this is just an accepted social science-y thing at this point. It is a very much cultural thing of the past couple of decades.

Then we need to change that. Those with power are best-equipped to effect that change.

I think the problem is many of our senior leaders are just not that good, and the best they can do is model themselves on who they think is successful, like Musk. Then we get a predetermined outcome that repeats. Remember when every senior leader concluded that "Steve Jobs treated people like shit, but was very successful; therefore the path to success is treat people like garbage."? This was a global phenomenon for years. The "admitted failure is weakness" believe is much stronger.

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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the problem is that TSLA (the company) is pivoting hard to humanoid robots, which is a relatively easier problem, perfectly big market and Musk is a terrific salesguy. Medium/long term, humanoid robots are commodity but so were electric cars and TSLA (the stock) rode that to glory.

> which is a relatively easier problem

Eh? _Useful_ humanoid robots are if anything considerably harder. Tech demos are easier, granted; humanoid robot tech demos date back to the 80s or so.

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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He lies relentlessly even to customers who paid for the product. I know because I’m one of them. FSD paid in full almost seven years ago, still does absolutely nothing in Europe. A five-year-old would do a better job at driving because the Tesla can’t even see speed limit signs correctly. Tesla takes no responsibility for their misleading marketing and years of lies. Most recently Musk promised in early 2025 that the…

I think Elon would say that this is a regulatory problem because you guys don't have the same signs or distance units as in the US.

>> same signs or distance units

yeah, how could we expect software developers to write code that can replaces "z" with "s", handle extra "u"s and divide numbers by 1.6?

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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I thought the title meant the software crashed, but it was the car that crashed: "They didn’t make it out of California without crashing into easily avoidable road debris that badly damaged the Tesla Model Y ... In the video, you can see that the driver doesn’t have his hands on the steering wheel. The passenger spots the debris way ahead of time. There was plenty of time to react, but the driver didn’t get his hands…

And if the car was fully self driving and capable of seeing debris that was clearly seen by two humans (whom tesla claims have inferior eyes), it could have taken the opportunity to change lanes and avoid the obstruction. They want to pretend you'll only need to actually intervene in 'edge case' situations, but here we have an example of perfect conditions requiring intervention. Regardless of the buzzwords they can…

> whom tesla claims have inferior eyes

... wait, do they actually claim that? I mean that's just nonsense.

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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I've been driving on local and highway roads for 30 years now and I have never come across a piece of debris so large that driving over it would damage my car. Seeing that video, I don't have high confidence that I would have dodged that hazard - maybe 70% sure? The thing is, usually there is plenty of traffic ahead that acts very obviously different in situations like this that helps as well. All that to say that I…

> All that to say that I don't feel this is a fair criticism of the FSD system. Yes it is because the bar isn't whether a human would detect it, but whether a car with LiDAR would. And without a doubt it would, especially given those conditions: clear day, flat surface, protruding object is a best case scenario for LiDAR. Tesla's FSD was designed by Musk who is not an engineer nor an expert in sensors or robotics, an…

I don't disagree with that characterization of the technical details. However I felt the task those drivers set out was asking a different question: how good would the FSD system be at completing a coast-to-coast trip? I don't think this can be answered after hitting a singular, highly unlikely accident without a lot more trials.

Imagine there was a human driver team shadowing the Tesla, and say they got T-boned after 60 miles. Would we claim that human drivers suck and have the same level of criticism? I don't think that would be fair either.

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Humans routinely drive from LA to NYC without wrecking their cars. In fact, that's the normal outcome.

I've been driving on local and highway roads for 30 years now and I have never come across a piece of debris so large that driving over it would damage my car. Seeing that video, I don't have high confidence that I would have dodged that hazard - maybe 70% sure? The thing is, usually there is plenty of traffic ahead that acts very obviously different in situations like this that helps as well. All that to say that I…

Come to Chicago, you'll see some debris in the first few days, and plenty of humans dodging it at high speeds

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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In America, you fail the second you apologize or take accountability. Ignoring criticism and deflecting all the time gets you further, as it is part of the game. Unfortunately, this is just an accepted social science-y thing at this point. It is a very much cultural thing of the past couple of decades.

Do you have sources?

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Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Solar roofs, Dojo, Hyperloop, robotaxi, roadster, semi, mission around the Moon, man on Mars by 2020, it’s all coming guys he promised!

Boring Company. Whatever happened to those tunnels?

They've only built out the system at the Las Vegas Convention Center, and every other project seems to have fallen through.
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