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Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by impossiblefork »

wmeredith wrote: post #146
bix6 wrote: post #102

Combined with the other ongoing conflicts it really feels like we’re in a WW3 era

I don't want to downplay the atrocities going on in the current conflicts, but this sort of comment deserves some perspective. About 70 million people were killed in WW2, as of the present day about 1 million have died in the war Russia is waging against Ukraine and about 70k people have died in the Israeli/Palestine conflict. The horrors are most certainly real. But WW3 this era is most certainly not, that's thankfu…

Yes, but WWII also had a phase called Phony War, and after that much of the war was in Poland.

We could say that Ukraine is the current Poland.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by ViewTrick1002 »

dotancohen wrote: post #216
DaveExeter wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't that an Israeli "hasbara" site? The Israelis have admitted that they use the false cry of "antisemitism" to attack. "Calling it antisemitism - it’s a trick we always use." Shulamit Aloni, former Israeli Minister https://x.com/SuppressedNws/status/1896748975207952758

If we're on the subject of damning historic quotes, I've got one for you: > Initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement. - Hamas founding charter

Of course ignoring that Hamas was deliberately funded by Israel to cause a split between the politics of the West Bank and Gaza to prevent a unified political authority in Palestine.

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Post by 7952 »

dlubarov wrote: post #135
beloch wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Flipping the U.S. really is the key to ending this conflict. The U.S. reliably uses its security council veto to nix any meaningful UN response and the U.S. remains, by far, the biggest supplier of arms to the IDF. If the US were to stop veto'ing everything and cut off the IDF's supply of, at least, some types of weapons, the new ground assault would likely end quickly. Unfortunately, that isn't likely to happen. Net…

Why would we expect any desirable outcome in this hypothetical though? So the US flips, Israel is pressured into withdrawing, Hamas regains control of the strip and resumes rocket attacks, Israel is forced to respond eventually. It doesn't seem like a path toward a real solution.

There isn't a real solution. Just an opportunity for a few years of peace where people can do the important things in life. That is no small thing though. The danger is in chasing some quixotic nationalist dream. That is never ever going to work out.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by lmf4lol »

vFunct wrote: post #195
therobots927 wrote: post #60

I for one will be holding my representatives responsible who continue to vote for the US to enable a genocide. The videos coming out of Gaza have turned me and many others into single issue voters.

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Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by therobots927 »

imglorp wrote: post #79
therobots927 wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Voters can take a stand and refuse to vote for anyone complicit in this atrocity.

In the US, both parties were supportive in the last election. Not many choices.

I can write in “free Palestine”

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by dmbche »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #223
ipaddr wrote: post #69

Wonder why this made the frontpage when other political articles die. Has the rules around political non technical articles changed? Can we get an Epstein thread for the frontpage sometime this week?

For me, this is meaningful because for the first time a legitimate international body is calling this a genocide. Previously, it’s been activists and claims that this might be genocide. I haven’t read the report yet. But I will, and I intend to leave my mind open as to whether this raises the profile of this war in my mind relative to domestic issues.

Francesca Albanese has held the genocide line since day one as the UN special rapporteur on israel and palestine

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by dmbche »

therobots927 wrote: post #235
imglorp wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the US, both parties were supportive in the last election. Not many choices.

I can write in “free Palestine”

And it's gonna get seen by one (1) vote counter who'll then put it away/throw it in the bin

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by dotancohen »

ViewTrick1002 wrote: post #232
dotancohen wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If we're on the subject of damning historic quotes, I've got one for you: > Initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement. - Hamas founding charter

Of course ignoring that Hamas was deliberately funded by Israel to cause a split between the politics of the West Bank and Gaza to prevent a unified political authority in Palestine.

And today they are promoted by second and third world countries who oppose the first world, specifically to divide the first world nations.

They are succeeding.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by 7952 »

beloch wrote: post #87
therobots927 wrote: post #60

I for one will be holding my representatives responsible who continue to vote for the US to enable a genocide. The videos coming out of Gaza have turned me and many others into single issue voters.

Flipping the U.S. really is the key to ending this conflict. The U.S. reliably uses its security council veto to nix any meaningful UN response and the U.S. remains, by far, the biggest supplier of arms to the IDF. If the US were to stop veto'ing everything and cut off the IDF's supply of, at least, some types of weapons, the new ground assault would likely end quickly. Unfortunately, that isn't likely to happen. Net…

The US seems to be dominated by different right wing meme factions now. A choice between different strains of Maga all of whom would kill thousands in Gaza just to spite the left.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by machina_ex_deus »

nemomarx wrote: post #118
Invictus0 wrote: post #109

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What stat are you using for current Palestinian population during this conflict? Any good estimate of the deaths to hunger over the next few years? I don't believe that the charges in the report require success either way, but it would help with your statistics.

Even according to Hamas own numbers, 60,000 Palestinians died, 200 from starvation. That's very low compared to real genocides. That's very low considering Israel killed an estimated 10,000 of Hamas soldiers. That's pretty good accuracy in all modern standards of war.
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