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Apple Debuts iPhone 17

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Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 17

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I always have a hard time swallowing the price of modern smart phones. Having something so ridiculously expensive and fragile as an everyday carry seems absurd to me. For reference, you can buy two Steam Deck LCDs for the price of one iPhone 17.

Just buy the mid/high range from a few gens ago, I never spent more than $400 on a phone. When my pixel 3a died I bought an 8a instead of a 10

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 17

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I always have a hard time swallowing the price of modern smart phones. Having something so ridiculously expensive and fragile as an everyday carry seems absurd to me. For reference, you can buy two Steam Deck LCDs for the price of one iPhone 17.

You can get good, new motorolas for ~$400usd every so often on sale. They feel less premium, but they work well.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 17

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post #138

I'm actually considering buying myself an iPhone for the first time. I have basically two priorities when buying an phone: 1. Freedom. I should be able to build and run apps on it without the platform holder having a barrier on it. 2. Privacy. The phone shouldn't be an object to track me for better ad sales or any other purpose. Of course, priority 1 has until recently always led to Android while priority 2 has alway…

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Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 17

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Looking at it from my 2020 iPhone SE I bought used for 120€. Still good, still works.

Problem with used phones: no guarantee of water resistance. Many of the resold phones got their battery replaced, which itself it a good thing, but they are usually not applying the gasket required for water resistence.

How often you take your phone underwater? If so, why?

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 17

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post #138

I'm actually considering buying myself an iPhone for the first time. I have basically two priorities when buying an phone: 1. Freedom. I should be able to build and run apps on it without the platform holder having a barrier on it. 2. Privacy. The phone shouldn't be an object to track me for better ad sales or any other purpose. Of course, priority 1 has until recently always led to Android while priority 2 has alway…

Thing is, privacy with apple is a marketing term. if apple offered actual privacy, you could: - find out what/when apps are running - find out who they are talking to - prevent it, including apple if you want and apple has all kinds of nonsense like deep links (apps can intercept links), bluetooth beacons (apps can talk to stuff in a store/location), and lots of other stuff behind the scenes. You can't find out if it…

It’s like in politics, it’s not about absolute, it’s all relative.

What is the least worse option in terms of privacy, when comparing apple and google? I think there’s a broad consensus it’s apple. But let’s not call it the “best” option please.

You can go with something else than google and apple, they are not an inevitability. Alternate OSes offer significantly more freedom and privacy.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 17

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It doesn't run my banks' apps so it can't be more than a secondary device for playing around.

Out of curiosity, how often do you use your bank's app? I don't have my bank's app on my phone. Pretty much nobody ever gives me paper checks, and all of my employers have strongly encouraged/required direct deposit as part of the usual onboarding process. If I want to check balance or move between checking/savings, I use their website. I have a debit card, and my (Android) phone has tap-to-pay built-in.

For both banks I use, setting up Google/Apple Pay requires you to install the app on your phone to approve it.

It's also the only permitted method for 2FA which is required to make online payments. Even logging into the website requires you to approve the login on the app.

The second bank app is also my primary way of sending money to/from my friends, for example if we split the bill at a restaurant.

So the answer is several times a day.

Nobody has used paper checks here since the 90s, that's not what the app is for.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 17

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It doesn't run my banks' apps so it can't be more than a secondary device for playing around.

It appears there's a third priority then. That's not a criticism, it's true of all of us, I'm curious where it ranks and how you make that work with the other two. I'm in the same boat of being pissed at Google for destroying Android.

True, that priority is probably "runs the apps which I require to function in society", which basically means Revolut for payments and Whatsapp for messaging here. Oh and the occasional taxi app.

I mean the fact that GrapheneOS and PureOS and Plasma Mobile etc. are not even in the running for me is probably a good indicator that where it's placed is first.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 17

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I've been wondering why they haven't had this before even is using 3rd party modems. Seems like an obvious play unless they feel like that would cannibalize their tablet market??

It is odd that you've long been able to buy a cellular iPad but not a cellular MacBook. Perhaps people who buy a MacBook are likely to have an iPhone in their pocket that will function as a hotspot and iPads are much more often used by people who are otherwise outside of Apple's ecosystem?

> Perhaps people who buy a MacBook are likely to have an iPhone in their pocket that will function as a hotspot

You don't need an iphone, even a $50 phone will hotspot just fine. How many people travel with a laptop but no phone ?

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 17

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Looking at it from my 2020 iPhone SE I bought used for 120€. Still good, still works.

Problem with used phones: no guarantee of water resistance. Many of the resold phones got their battery replaced, which itself it a good thing, but they are usually not applying the gasket required for water resistence.

30+ years on this planet and I've yet to have any issue with water and electronics. Even if your phone died every single year from water damage it would still be cheaper to buy a beater every year than a new iphone every 3-5 years
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