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Chat Control Must Be Stopped

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Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped

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Post by egorfine »

Humorist2290 wrote: post #10

> Chat Control would make it mandatory for all service providers (text messaging, email, social media, cloud storage, hosting services, etc.) to scan all communications and all files (including end-to-end encrypted ones), in order to supposedly detect whatever the government deems "abusive material." I wonder why there has been such silence on this, with the exception of a handful of well written blog posts. The scop…

> why there has been such silence on this

Government trying to break your privacy is routine at this point.

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped

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Post by egorfine »

I'm afraid the Chat Control will pass, sooner or later. The procedure is very simple: reintroduce the bill every other year until the public will not be bothered to hear anymore.

Now, you may think you are the smart one and can always revert to the good old days of OTR[1].

But no, the next thing I can see happening is the smartphone OS conveniently doing client-side scanning of everything on the screen for you. You know, for developers' convenience. And then it's game over: you will not be able to take a look at the Tiananmen Square picture in any installed app.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Off-the-record_messaging

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped

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Post by octo888 »

morkalork wrote: post #162
octo888 wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

WW2 was the immense shock that gave us that golden age of the 1960s-1990s. But WW2 is now a distant memory for most.

It's eerie how immediate the regression is right around when the last eyewitnesses are dying. Did their children not listen to their parents at all?

It was also lurking in the background because there are plenty of children of WW2 era-fascists in European politics too

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped

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Post by ozgrakkurt »

thw_9a83c wrote: post #94

As both an EU citizen and a computer programmer, I applaud this article, and I generally agree with its sentiment. But let's be realistic. Chat control is going to happen sooner or later. This is a Hacker News forum. The audience here is very knowledgeable about computer science and fully aware of how technologically impractical the idea of fighting CSAM in this way is. But the general public is somewhere else entire…

Why be so hopeless? Especially when the people that push these things are so brazen

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped

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Post by const_cast »

zmmmmm wrote: post #57

Of all the arguments presented I'm surprised to see absent the one that seems most obvious to me: encryption is just math, there's no way to actually ban it. If criminals think their conversations are going to be detected they aren't going to just say "oh well let's not crime now". They are going to simply spin up their own e2e encrypted channels. The software is nearly trivial, the technical barriers are very low -…

They don't even need to spin up their own channels, they can just continue to use existing channels and encrypt their messages.

I mean, if youre in the business of CSAM surely you don't mind encrypting a zip and emailing it or putting it on Google drive or whatever. Its trivial, requires next to zero technology knowledge.

Its inconvenient, sure, which is why we don't currently do that. But I'm sure the CSAM distributors don't care. Why would they?

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Post by petermcneeley »

Nursie wrote: post #213
petermcneeley wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you've seen nothing and if the crimes of the government remain unknown to you then ... well enough said. Enjoy your water.

The point is that things can be bad without being melodramatically the end of democracy. Is this an authoritarian move that ought to be spoken against by those who know and care? Absolutely. Does it mean that there's no more democracy in Europe? No, that's a little ridiculous.

Who are you trying to convince? I cant help you.

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped

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Post by [deleted] »

m463 wrote: post #130
CGMthrowaway wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I wonder why there has been such silence on this Yes, I would think that if there were any real journalism left, they would be all over this. For the sake of their profession, and the protection of their sources.

Cory Doctorow points out a lot of things: https://pluralistic.net/ But I don't think mainstream journalism points out computer nonsense because they're so intertwined with it all. I mean, "we have a surveillance state" first points to "advertising" which is their revenue stream.

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Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped

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Post by docmars »

conductr wrote: post #135
m463 wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cory Doctorow points out a lot of things: https://pluralistic.net/ But I don't think mainstream journalism points out computer nonsense because they're so intertwined with it all. I mean, "we have a surveillance state" first points to "advertising" which is their revenue stream.

Quite the leap IMO, I actually think the strongest defense of the status quo is pointing out how much worse things could be

This has been used as an effective way to gaslight people with concerns about government censorship or surveillance, especially when 2020's myriad lies and sociopolitical events ensued.

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped

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Post by Nursie »

petermcneeley wrote: post #236
Nursie wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point is that things can be bad without being melodramatically the end of democracy. Is this an authoritarian move that ought to be spoken against by those who know and care? Absolutely. Does it mean that there's no more democracy in Europe? No, that's a little ridiculous.

Who are you trying to convince? I cant help you.

I’m not trying to convince anyone, I’m poking holes in your silly hyperbole and lazy catastrophising.

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped

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Post by petermcneeley »

Nursie wrote: post #239
petermcneeley wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who are you trying to convince? I cant help you.

I’m not trying to convince anyone, I’m poking holes in your silly hyperbole and lazy catastrophising.

The worst part is when you betray yourself for nothing.
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