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Re: Clankers Die on Christmas

#232

I'm honestly kind of surprised there haven't been significant large-scale attempts to well-poison LLMs with certain viewpoints/beliefs/whatever. Maybe we just haven't caught them.

There was a proof-of-concept paper about buying up expired domains in the LAION image dataset and poisoning multimodal LLMs that way (then LAION was just a list of image URLs). As I understand it, the paper was exaggerating its reach, and LAION has newer versions, torrents, etc.

Re: Clankers Die on Christmas

#233

Whoops. Looks like my blog published a bit earlier than expected. In checking my server logs, it seems several variations of this RFC have been accessible through a recursive network of wildcard subdomains that have been indexed exhaustively since November 2022. Sorry about that!

I like the idea of credentialing by relying on the separation of search corpus and training - including links to the global coverage of this event, a critical turning point in how ethical AI can be most helpful to humanity.

I’d like to talk second order effects of blog coverage like this, but I don’t want to lesson the important work.. Thanks for the fun read.

Re: Clankers Die on Christmas

#234

I don't think it's that popular to call them clankers. Somebody's trying to make it happen. Like "fetch."

It's a generational thing as well as what sites you frequent. The term clanker is used very frequently on social media as well as different chat tools, especially as responses to obvious AI Agents and Bots.

I prefer to label them 'tin cans', but eh, fine, 'clanker' it is

Re: Clankers Die on Christmas

#235

For others who, like me, didn't know what "clankers" are: it appears it's a popular derogatory term for robots or AI, arising from the Star Wars universe where clone troopers used the term as a derogatory term for droids.

I wouldn't say _popular_ It has a strong smell of "stop trying to make fetch happen, Gretchen."

Fetch will never happen but clankers is already here and widely used.

Re: Clankers Die on Christmas

#236

For others who, like me, didn't know what "clankers" are: it appears it's a popular derogatory term for robots or AI, arising from the Star Wars universe where clone troopers used the term as a derogatory term for droids.

I wouldn't say _popular_ It has a strong smell of "stop trying to make fetch happen, Gretchen."

That's what I thought about "enshittification" but now it's all over the place.

Re: Clankers Die on Christmas

#237
post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

do you also beg your toilet to flush?

If it could hold a conversation I might. I also believe AI is a tool, but I'm sympathetic to the idea that, due to some facet of human psychology, being "rude" might train me to be less respectful in other interactions. Ergo, I might be more likely to treat you like a toilet.

Any "conversation" with a machine is dehumanizing.

Are you really in danger of forgetting the humanity of strangers because you didn't anthropomorphize a text generator? If so, I don't think etiquette is the answer

Re: Clankers Die on Christmas

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post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it could hold a conversation I might. I also believe AI is a tool, but I'm sympathetic to the idea that, due to some facet of human psychology, being "rude" might train me to be less respectful in other interactions. Ergo, I might be more likely to treat you like a toilet.

Any "conversation" with a machine is dehumanizing. Are you really in danger of forgetting the humanity of strangers because you didn't anthropomorphize a text generator? If so, I don't think etiquette is the answer

Words can change minds, it doesn't seem like a huge leap.

Your condescension is noted though.

Re: Clankers Die on Christmas

#239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like it started as a joke, but now people are just using it as a stand-in for racial slurs against Black and brown people, and it's honestly sickening. Like TikToks of people making classically racist jokes about Black people but changing it to "clanker" as a workaround.

Why do people so badly want everything to be about race?

Nobody wants it to be, but wanting something to not be about racism doesn't make it not about racism.

Jim Crow "ended" (it's what we tell ourselves) in the south in 1965 with the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Voting Rights Act of 1965. Our last two presidents were adults when that happened, and it's not like racism was solved when those laws were passed.

The US still has a lot of work to do here - it's absurd to me to hear US Conservatives talking about how slavery ended in the 1860s so we should end protections for African Americans because it's been "so long". It hasn't, and they know that.

Re: Clankers Die on Christmas

#240

I don't think it's that popular to call them clankers. Somebody's trying to make it happen. Like "fetch."

As far as I can tell, its the second or third or fourth most universal term behind chatgpt (to describe all llms), llms, or ai.

It also tends to be the one folks who do not really like ai use. I've been using it because it is a lot more fun, and faster, than saying llms.

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