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A staff engineer's journey with Claude Code

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Re: A staff engineer's journey with Claude Code

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Post by Kiro »

rhubarbtree wrote: post #212

Does anyone have a link to a video that uses Claude Code to produce clean robust code that solves a non trivial problem (ie not tic tac toe or a landing page) more quickly than a human programmer can write? I don’t want a “demo”, I want a livestream from an independent programmer unaffiliated with any AI company and thus not incentivised to hype. I want the code to have subsequently been deployed in production and de…

Very few people want to record themselves doing stuff or have an incentive to convince anyone except for winning internet arguments.

Re: A staff engineer's journey with Claude Code

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Post by dewey »

rhubarbtree wrote: post #212

Does anyone have a link to a video that uses Claude Code to produce clean robust code that solves a non trivial problem (ie not tic tac toe or a landing page) more quickly than a human programmer can write? I don’t want a “demo”, I want a livestream from an independent programmer unaffiliated with any AI company and thus not incentivised to hype. I want the code to have subsequently been deployed in production and de…

One of these things where you just have to put in the work yourself for a while and see how it works for your workflow and project.

Re: A staff engineer's journey with Claude Code

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Post by ochronus »

thecupisblue wrote: post #220
rhubarbtree wrote: post #212

Does anyone have a link to a video that uses Claude Code to produce clean robust code that solves a non trivial problem (ie not tic tac toe or a landing page) more quickly than a human programmer can write? I don’t want a “demo”, I want a livestream from an independent programmer unaffiliated with any AI company and thus not incentivised to hype. I want the code to have subsequently been deployed in production and de…

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I think you completely missed the original point :/

Re: A staff engineer's journey with Claude Code

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Post by fourthark »

enobrev wrote: post #178
rco8786 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like I do all of this stuff and still end up with unusable code in most cases, and the cases where I don't I still usually have to hand massage it into something usable. Sometimes it gets it right and it's really cool when it does, but anecdotally for me it doesn't seem to be making me any more efficient.

> it doesn't seem to be making me any more efficient That's been my experience. I've been working on a 100% vibe-coded app for a few weeks. API, React-Native frontend, marketing website, CMS, CI/CD - all of it without changing a single line of code myself. Overall, the resulting codebase has been better than I expected before I started. But I would have accomplished everything it has (except for the detailed specs, d…

How long would it have taken if you had written “the detailed specs, detailed commit log, and thousands of tests”?

Re: A staff engineer's journey with Claude Code

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Post by Kiro »

izacus wrote: post #227
thecupisblue wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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People live stream their work all the time, it's really not unreasonable to ask for an example/tutorial on how to use the technology in the real world.

The people live streaming their work is a minuscule percentage of all programmers. And you can ask but the incentive to make such a video is not there unless you're selling an AI product yourself, which reduces the sample even more.

Re: A staff engineer's journey with Claude Code

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Post by mathieuh »

rhubarbtree wrote: post #212

Does anyone have a link to a video that uses Claude Code to produce clean robust code that solves a non trivial problem (ie not tic tac toe or a landing page) more quickly than a human programmer can write? I don’t want a “demo”, I want a livestream from an independent programmer unaffiliated with any AI company and thus not incentivised to hype. I want the code to have subsequently been deployed in production and de…

I actually don't think I've ever had AI solve a non-trivial problem by itself. I do find it useful but I always have to give it the breakthrough which it can then implement.

Re: A staff engineer's journey with Claude Code

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Post by boesboes »

rhubarbtree wrote: post #212

Does anyone have a link to a video that uses Claude Code to produce clean robust code that solves a non trivial problem (ie not tic tac toe or a landing page) more quickly than a human programmer can write? I don’t want a “demo”, I want a livestream from an independent programmer unaffiliated with any AI company and thus not incentivised to hype. I want the code to have subsequently been deployed in production and de…

I've been using it to do all my work for the last month or two and have decided it's not worth it. I haven't made any recordings or anything, so this is purely my subjective experience: it's ok at greenfield stuff with some hand-holding to do things properly all the time. It knows the framework well, but won't try to use it correctly and go off on weird detours to 'debug' things that fail because of it. But on a bigger refactor of legacy code, that is well tested and the 'migration' process to the new architecture documented it just was very infuriating. One moment it seems to be doing alright and then suddenly I'm going backwards for days because it just makes things look like they work. It gets stuck on bad idea's and keeps trying them. Keeps making the same mistakes over and over, despite clear instruction on how to do it correctly..

I think it misses a feedback loop. Something that evaluates what went wrong, what works, what wont, and remembers that and then can use that to make better plans. From making sure it runs the tests correctly (instead of trying 5 different methods each time) to how to do TDD and what comments to add.

Re: A staff engineer's journey with Claude Code

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Post by coffeeri »

rhubarbtree wrote: post #212

Does anyone have a link to a video that uses Claude Code to produce clean robust code that solves a non trivial problem (ie not tic tac toe or a landing page) more quickly than a human programmer can write? I don’t want a “demo”, I want a livestream from an independent programmer unaffiliated with any AI company and thus not incentivised to hype. I want the code to have subsequently been deployed in production and de…

This video [0] is relevant, though it actually supports your point - it shows Claude Code struggling with non-trivial tasks and needing significant hand-holding.

I suspect videos meeting your criteria are rare because most AI coding demos either cherry-pick simple problems or skip the messy reality of maintaining real codebases.

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL7Au1tzNxE

Re: A staff engineer's journey with Claude Code

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Post by thecupisblue »

troupo wrote: post #229
thecupisblue wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> You want someone to spend their time to live-stream their codebase and them working on it using Claude code, which will then make it into production, going through all the processes on a non-greenfield project just so you can be convinced that it is worth it Why not? Plenty of people stream their work that later makes into production. Gaming community for example has no end of people building their games publicly.…

>amazing one-shot capabilities that obviate the need for programmers

"Amazing one-shot capabilities" is not the same as "an extremely useful tool that saves a ton of time"

Re: A staff engineer's journey with Claude Code

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Post by thecupisblue »

izacus wrote: post #227
thecupisblue wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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People live stream their work all the time, it's really not unreasonable to ask for an example/tutorial on how to use the technology in the real world.

Yes, people who are:

- Working on hobby projects/sideprojects

- Working on open-source projects

- Selling stuff

For someone to create this example, they would either have to do it in a codebase they don't have problem open sourcing or which is open source, so they do not break NDA's and divulge company info/source code.

How many people are ready to do that?

The conditions of the OP are:

- No demo, independent programmer

- Non-greenfield project

- Non-trivial problem

- Code deployed in production and robust

- Code review, test, testing, PR creation

- Person be willing to live-stream their work and code while building

Which is a pretty unreasonable set of conditions to prove "it works", when the person could read a tutorial and try it themselves.

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