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Re: Updates to Consumer Terms and Privacy Policy

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Post by jsnell »

benterix wrote: post #129
raldi wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“These updates will apply only to new or resumed chats and coding sessions.” https://www.anthropic.com/news/updates-to-our-consumer-terms

What kind of guarantee do we have this is true? Meta downloaded copyrighted content and trained their models on it, OpenAI did the same. Uber developed Greyball to cheat the officials and break the law. Tesla deletes accident data and reports to the authorities they don't have it. So forgive me I have zero trust in whatever these companies say.

If it were a lie, why take the PR hit of telling the truth about starting to train on user data but lying about the specifics? It'd be much simpler to just lie about not training on user data at all.

If your threat model is to unconditionally not trust the companies, what they're saying is irrelevant. Which is fair enough, you probably should not be using a service you don't trust at all. But there's not much of a discussion to be had when you can just assert that everything they say is a lie.

> Meta downloaded copyrighted content and trained their models on it, OpenAI did the same.

> Uber developed Greyball to cheat the officials and break the law.

These seem like randomly chosen generic grievances, not examples of companies making promises in their privacy policy (or similar) and breaking them. Am I missing some connection?

Re: Updates to Consumer Terms and Privacy Policy

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Post by DalasNoin »

Aurornis wrote: post #195

Why are we linking to Perplexity.ai AI-generated slop summaries of other news articles instead of the actual announcement? Reading the actual announcement is more clear : https://www.anthropic.com/news/updates-to-our-consumer-terms Some important points: An in-app notification pop-up will alert you to the change. You can opt out in the pop up. I was able to opt out right now by going to the Privacy section of Setting…

Crazy that they would automatically link to an AI summary of multiple articles on the topic than the original source?

Re: Updates to Consumer Terms and Privacy Policy

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Post by dfedbeef »

bgwalter wrote: post #108

The Perplexity report is vibe-written and an excellent example that "AI" is entirely unreliable. At the time I am making this comment, it states: "Anthropic also reported discovering North Korean operatives using Claude to fraudulently obtain remote employment positions at Fortune 500 technology companies, leveraging the AI to pass technical interviews and maintain positions despite lacking basic coding skills." Note…

Managers: they're successfully maintaining employment, you say?

Re: Updates to Consumer Terms and Privacy Policy

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Post by ezfe »

the_other wrote: post #215

I didn't trust them much to begin with, so I generally avoid talking too much personal stuff with Claude. But I had plenty of chats with surface level discussion of topics I'm interested in and some of my relevant experience and history with those topics. So, I have deleted all my chats and am closing my Claude account (as soon as customer services get back to me; somehow the self-serve option is missing for my accou…

This change didn't grant access to your old chats and can be opted out. Good job you overreacted without reading.

Re: Updates to Consumer Terms and Privacy Policy

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Post by Aurornis »

DrBenCarson wrote: post #229
giancarlostoro wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As long as you can opt-out it doesn't bother me much. Though it does make me wonder those third party clients that people subscribe to e.g. JetBrains AI, Zed, and others that use Claude and other Anthropic models, do they opt-in for you? Because that would be bad. I would strongly argue that API clients should NEVER be opted in for these sorts of things, and it should be like this industry wide.

You can opt out until September 28th. After that day all Claude usage will be under the new terms and conditions

All new or resumed Claude usage. You’d have to open one of the apps and dismiss the pop-up about it and then start or resume a chat.

Re: Updates to Consumer Terms and Privacy Policy

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Post by whimsicalism »

I_am_tiberius wrote: post #26
troad wrote: post #8

You can opt out, but the fact that it's opt-in by default and made to look like a simple T/C update prompt leaves a sour taste in my mouth. The five year retention period seems... excessive. I wonder if they've buried anything else objectionable in the new terms. It was the kick in the pants I needed to cancel my subscription.

"five year retention". If it's in a model once, it's there forever.

yes, it’s a very big loophole. and if it’s a generative model, you can just launder the data through synthetic generation/distillation to future models

Re: Updates to Consumer Terms and Privacy Policy

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Post by hliyan »

psychoslave wrote: post #28

What a surprise, a big corp collected large amount of personal data under some promises, and now reveals actually they will exploit it in completely unrelated manner.

If someone had told me 10 years ago that the typical HN front page in 2025 will look like this (and that #8 may be the UK), I'd never have believed it. And I worry we still have further to go before hitting bottom.

1. Anthropic reverses privacy stance, will train on Claude chats

3. Gun Maker Sig Sauer Citing National Security to Keep Documents from Public

4. Tesla said it didn't have key data in a fatal crash. Then a hacker found it

6. Meta might be secretly scanning your phone's camera roll

7. If you have a Claude account, they're going to train on your data moving forward

8. Ask HN: The government of my country blocked VPN access. What should I use?

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