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Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by raincole »

pjmlp wrote: post #173

The irony of this, is that Microsoft was trying to push CoPilot everywhere, however eventually Apple, Google and JetBrains have their own AI integrations, taking CoPilot out of the loop. Slowly the AI craziness at Microsoft is taking the similar shape, of going all in at the begining and then losing to the competition, that they also had with Web (IE), mobile (Windows CE/Pocket PC/WP 7/WP 8/UWP), the BUILD sessions t…

Microsoft owns 49% of OpenAI so why they should worry? JetBrains just proudly announce that they now use GPT-5 by default.

> going all in at the begining and then losing to the competition

Sure, but there are counter examples too. Microsoft went late to the party of cloud computing. Today Azure is their main money printing machine. At some point Visual Studio seemed to be a legacy app only used for Windows-specific app development. Then they released VSCode and boom! It became the most popular editor by a huge margin[0].

[0]: https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2025/technology#most-popular...

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by nihonde »

onion2k wrote: post #217
pjmlp wrote: post #173

The irony of this, is that Microsoft was trying to push CoPilot everywhere, however eventually Apple, Google and JetBrains have their own AI integrations, taking CoPilot out of the loop. Slowly the AI craziness at Microsoft is taking the similar shape, of going all in at the begining and then losing to the competition, that they also had with Web (IE), mobile (Windows CE/Pocket PC/WP 7/WP 8/UWP), the BUILD sessions t…

"Taking Copilot out of the loop" if you ignore the massive ecosystems of Github, Visual Studio, and Visual Studio Code.

Different CoPilot product. Typical Microsoft naming confusion.

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by gattilorenz »

OtherShrezzing wrote: post #179
not_your_vase wrote: post #139

3 days ago I saw another Claude praising submission on HN, and finally I signed up for it, to compare it with copilot. I asked 2 things. 1. Create a boilerplate Zephyr project skeleton, for Pi Pico with st7789 spi display drivers configured. It generated garbage devicetree which didn't even compile. When I pointed it out, it apologized and generated another one that didn't compile. It configured also non-existent dri…

It’s good at doing stuff like “host this all in Docker. Make a Postgres database with a Users table. Make a FastAPI CRUD endpoint for Users. Make a React site with a homepage, login page, and user dashboard”. It’ll successfully produce _something_ like that, because there’s millions of examples of those technologies online. If you do anything remotely niche, you need to hold its hand far more. The more complicated yo…

FWIW, I used Gemini to write an Objective-C app for Apple Rhapsody (!) that would enumerate drivers currently loaded by the operating systems (more or less save level of difficulty as the OP, I'd say?), using the PDF manual of NextStep's DriverKit as context.

It... sort of worked well? I had to have a few back-and-forth because it tried to use Objective-C features that did not exist back then (e.g. ARC), but all in all it was a success.

So yeah, niche things are harder, but on the other hand I didn't have to read 300 pages of stuff just to do this...

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by hollowturtle »

adastra22 wrote: post #214
shakna wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most programs today regularly have bugs with scrolling. Thus, an LLM will produce for you... A buggy piece of code.

LLMs are not Xerox machines. They can, in fact, produce better code than is in their training set.

That is funny for how much is wrong. Ask the LLMs to vibe code a text editor and you'll get a React app using Supabase. Engineering !== Token prediction

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by wordofx »

pjmlp wrote: post #173

The irony of this, is that Microsoft was trying to push CoPilot everywhere, however eventually Apple, Google and JetBrains have their own AI integrations, taking CoPilot out of the loop. Slowly the AI craziness at Microsoft is taking the similar shape, of going all in at the begining and then losing to the competition, that they also had with Web (IE), mobile (Windows CE/Pocket PC/WP 7/WP 8/UWP), the BUILD sessions t…

Almost no one uses copilot unless they are not allowed to use anything else or don’t know any better. MS could have been a leader in this space but MS couldn’t understand why people didn’t like copilot but loved the competition.

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by factorialboy »

baby wrote: post #82
breadwinner wrote: post #42

It seems every IDE now has AI built-in. That's a problem if you're working on highly confidential code. You never know when the AI is going to upload code snippets to the server for analysis.

Not trying to be mean but I would expect comments on HN on these kind of stories to be from people who have used AI in IDEs at this point. There is no AI integration that runs automatically on a codebase.

> There is no AI integration that runs automatically on a codebase.

Don't be naive.

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by jfoster »

pjmlp wrote: post #173

The irony of this, is that Microsoft was trying to push CoPilot everywhere, however eventually Apple, Google and JetBrains have their own AI integrations, taking CoPilot out of the loop. Slowly the AI craziness at Microsoft is taking the similar shape, of going all in at the begining and then losing to the competition, that they also had with Web (IE), mobile (Windows CE/Pocket PC/WP 7/WP 8/UWP), the BUILD sessions t…

Also OpenAI pioneered but now the many competitors seem to have either caught up or surpassed them. They might still retain a significant brand recognition advantage as long as they don't fall too far behind, though.
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