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Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by mixmastamyk »

tracker1 wrote: post #196
sandreas wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

+1 And if not, could you elaborate? It would also be a huge benefit to use a replaced mainboard as a homelab base WITH ECC support in the future. Same goes for the Framework Desktop, which features Strix Halo without ECC support, whereas ECC IS possible with Ryzen AI MAX+ 395+ PRO (e.g. HP Z2 Mini G1a).

Can't speak for Framework, but AMD themselves doesn't necessarily support this configuration so it would be on Framework to develop/test/certify a compatibility list... they'd likely only support first party modules, if anything. At least for non-pro AMD CPUs. Likely mostly down to resources/time as to the lack of official support.

Yes, we often hear it is "not supported." I'm here saying all my future non-mobile devices are required have ECC RAM or better. Take the money. ;-)

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by poisonborz »

ffin wrote: post #220
poisonborz wrote: post #172

Fantastic update, it has everything that made the first version a dealbreaker for me - it was just too weak. I feared Framework will position its 2in1 as a "student laptop", glad to hear they expand on it. We sorely need more competition in the 2in1 segment, there aren't many good options. Either gaming laptops (no long commitment, bad build quality) or Lenovo Yogas (bad value, limited/weak hw options).

I think you may be confused. This is an upgrade for the Framework 16, not the Framework 12, which is the 2-in-1.

Oh true :( The above comment then is a wish for a similar upgrade.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by dismalaf »

umbra07 wrote: post #127
dismalaf wrote: post #39

Very nice. Glad Framework finally updated the CPU/APU on this because I really want the Ryzen AI APU in a 16 inch form factor (I don't care about dedicated GPUs though).

My understanding was that there's not really anything you can do with the NPU yet?

Drivers for it are in Linux 6.14.

That doesn't matter much for most people though. The actual benefit is that the integrated GPU is very beefy.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by Tepix »

drcongo wrote: post #198
bodge5000 wrote: post #82

I'm glad the AMD GPU option still exists, I don't have great experience with NVIDIA on Linux. The rest of the upgrades, like the new top cover and keyboard, are very welcome

I'm one month into owning a GMKTec Evo-X2 with the new mad AMD gpu in it and so far I've managed to get Ollama running. ROCm doesn't officially support the GPU and everything seems to be hacky workaround on top of hacky workaround. Starting to wish I'd just waited for NVIDIA to actually release the project digits thing.

So, how did you get it running? I‘m about to get a Bosgame M5 (same CPU).

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by bcrosby95 »

jvanderbot wrote: post #213
chpatrick wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can upgrade your old Framework 16 to this. Framework 13 wouldn't work anyway because it's a different chassis.

That's exactly my point. When I bought the 13 I figured there would be these kinds of upgrades down the road. You're right to say that was stupid and it was. And next there will be the framework 17, a 16 that's not backwards compatible or something?

Like the other commenter mentioned, you can upgrade the 13". It's pretty common for laptops to come in two classes: smaller with a focus on portability and larger with a focus on performance.

There's a reason why a lot of us sat on the sidelines and were looking forward to the 16". There is no slippery slope here, the differentiated product lines 100% make sense.

Edit: there is another class I could see making sense - desktop replacement. Those chassis' tend to be pretty chunky because they put desktop parts into a laptop. Think 10 lb laptop with a battery that lasts 20-30 minutes. But I'm not sure if the market is large enough for them to pursue it.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by bsimpson »

chao- wrote: post #158
TomLisankie wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this because the driver itself has changed in its operation or just from the name change breaking lots of code that referenced the "radeon" name?

They were referencing a time, in the middle of the 2010's, when "amdgpu" was released. It is a completely rewritten, different driver, and is mostly open source [0]. Before that, the driver was named "radeon" and it was very shaky. I can speak to this personally. I had desktop Linux systems with both AMD/ATI and Nvidia GPUs, and while there were some issues with Nvidia, the AMD/ATI drivers gave me nightmares. Once th…

That's high praise - props to the people who worked on that rewrite!

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by bsimpson »

nrp wrote: post #4

I'm happy to answer questions around the new product.

Apparently the AMD RZ717 is a rebranded Mediatek MT7925. It's strange that the prose uses the AMD name, but the photo uses Mediatek's.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by ffsm8 »

jvanderbot wrote: post #213
chpatrick wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can upgrade your old Framework 16 to this. Framework 13 wouldn't work anyway because it's a different chassis.

That's exactly my point. When I bought the 13 I figured there would be these kinds of upgrades down the road. You're right to say that was stupid and it was. And next there will be the framework 17, a 16 that's not backwards compatible or something?

As framework doesn't produce their own hardware, they're also forced to live with the reality that generations are also bound by the whims of the producers.

E.g sockets and chipsets change and will force incompatible changes, no matter how much framework would like to keep things stable.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by bsimpson »

nrp wrote: post #151
trelane wrote: post #118

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What all does your Linux support entail? Do you offer support for both Linux abd Windows models? Is the firmware identical for the models that ship with Windows and those that ship with Linux? How well does Linux work out of the box? What kind of small glitches can a Linux user expect?

We publish our recommended and officially supported Linux distros here: https://frame.work/laptop16?tab=linux For the new generation, we'll list those as we get closer to shipments.

Granted:

- Bazzite takes community contributions; whereas, SteamOS is packaged and distributed by Valve, and

- Bazzite is based on Fedora, so the work to support Fedora should bubble over to Bazzite.

I'm curious though, is there a big difference in functionality for SteamOS vs Bazzite. Are there things that work in Bazzite that wouldn't in pure SteamOS?

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