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Exit Tax: Leave Germany before your business gets big

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Re: Exit Tax: Leave Germany before your business gets big

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post #100

When businesses are fleeing, you're doing something very wrong.

Not necessarily. As USA is the main destination for IPO, wouldn't many German companies naturally leave? Also once you are successful you can afford to pay the costs to arrange the companies affairs in a tax efficient manner e.g. utilise low tax regions with the EU such as Luxembourg and wider world.

Keyword: BEPS. Won't work as easily as you describe it.

Re: Exit Tax: Leave Germany before your business gets big

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The EU forces every member state to implement an exit tax to trap entrepreneurs in a disadvantageous situation (Anti-Tax Avoidance Directive). Some countries such as Sweden implements this only minimally - making capital gains of Swedish companies you hold realised within 10 years of moving abroad are taxed, so just don’t sell in 10 years but take out credit with those assets as collateral. Of course outside the EU,…

The reframing of anti tax avoidance to be a "trap", a "disadvantageous situation" is egregious. Like maybe just pay your dues? Contribute back to the society that enabled you to become rich in the first place instead of parasitically extracting value?

If duties are unreasonably bothersome then it's a trap.

Re: Exit Tax: Leave Germany before your business gets big

#233

you could have shortened your advice to: "leave germany"

not sure how useful this is. germany is a great place to live, safe, with great infrastructure and access to europe, good food, lots of personal freedoms, orderly society, few overtouristic’ed cities, and a thoughtful populace for the most part.

No it's not . If you are young you are a slave for the elderly. Personal freedom is also very questionable. Good Food haha

Re: Exit Tax: Leave Germany before your business gets big

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post #92

The developed world is increasingly facing a funding crisis brought on by this propaganda that if we tax corporations and the very wealthy then they'll leave. One of the most farcical examples of this is the decades-long race to the bottom on business taxes and incentives between Kansas City, Missouri and Kansas City, Kansas. For the non-Americans out there, this is basically one city but it sits at the border of two…

It is not 2005 anymore . Stop spreading bs . There are many mechanisms against profit shifting and transfer pricing . BEPS 1.0 and 2.0 and many more.

Re: Exit Tax: Leave Germany before your business gets big

#236

Doesn’t every country have an exit tax, tho? Some are worse, some are better, but this is always the case.

The EU forces every member state to implement an exit tax to trap entrepreneurs in a disadvantageous situation (Anti-Tax Avoidance Directive). Some countries such as Sweden implements this only minimally - making capital gains of Swedish companies you hold realised within 10 years of moving abroad are taxed, so just don’t sell in 10 years but take out credit with those assets as collateral. Of course outside the EU,…

Eu ATAD only do exit tax on corp level. Germany does it on personal level

Re: Exit Tax: Leave Germany before your business gets big

#237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reframing of anti tax avoidance to be a "trap", a "disadvantageous situation" is egregious. Like maybe just pay your dues? Contribute back to the society that enabled you to become rich in the first place instead of parasitically extracting value?

If duties are unreasonably bothersome then it's a trap.

Who are you to decide what is reasonable and what is unreasonable over the democratically elected lawmakers? This is a deeply anti-democratic attitude.

Re: Exit Tax: Leave Germany before your business gets big

#238

One of the basic principals of the EU is freedom of movement between countries. One could argue that imposing such an onerous tax on moving to another EU country breaks this principal, so maybe worth a legal challenge - for someone with a lot to loose.

Or, alternatively, the bureaucrats in charge would argue that all EU countries need to implement similar exit taxation laws - that's where it seems to be heading lately.

Re: Exit Tax: Leave Germany before your business gets big

#239

Norway also has crazy exit tax and wealth tax. I heard lots of complaints that this system makes it almost impossible to build a decent vc-driven tech startup.

Kinda makes it harder to attract foreign talent to Norwegian startups as it could affect their decision moving to Norway. While I think the number of people affected is exaggerated, the most well-known case would be the Dune Analytics founder who had to pay more in tax than his salary and was forced to either take a loan to pay taxes (no guarantee the company would succeed) or move out of the country.

Re: Exit Tax: Leave Germany before your business gets big

#240

One of the basic principals of the EU is freedom of movement between countries. One could argue that imposing such an onerous tax on moving to another EU country breaks this principal, so maybe worth a legal challenge - for someone with a lot to loose.

This is why this doesn't apply if you move within the EU.
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