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Perhaps the driver would have acted differently if Tesla hadnt sold him a product called "autopilot."
Typically you need better evidence than "perhaps" to walk out of court with millions.
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Oh it is. You get traffic jams and that’s not exactly car-friendly. But still people drive. On top of that, walking on a sidewalk when a bus pass close by is much more interesting than a car passing. And then there’s all the commercial traffic that is necessary to serve a dense city. And many cities, especially here in Europe, are dense enough to need some mode of transit. Especially with workplaces concentrated eith…
If traffic in a city was mostly busses and trucks you'd only need two lanes for them and the walking experience could get a lot nicer.
On top of that, that’d likely mean highways torn up and replaced by narrow streets. Which would mean more traffic closer to people on sidewalks.
The reverse of this happened here in backwaters of Eastern Europe. Before there was no city bypasses and in-city highways. Traffic was tenfold smaller because there were much much fewer private vehicles. But most of it was busses, lorries and so on. Long distance driving was done through downtowns. Nowadays there’s much more private traffic. But there’re bypasses routing away a lot of long distance traffic. A lot of city traffic is on isolated motor-only streets. Of course they waste space. But at the same time people don’t walk along those streets so big portion of traffic is not passing by anybody’s shoulder.
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It's not assistive features in general that are the problem. It's that level 3 self-drive (which is what Tesla purports to have) should not be permitted to exist. Things which simply help the driver, fine. Lane assist, adaptive cruise control and other such things that remove some of the workload but still leave the driver with the full responsibility of control. That's level 2. Level 3 can generally run the car but…
You probably should have read the article because this lawsuit is specifically about the product that you just said is "fine."
HN commenter: "On one hand I don't think you can apply a price to a human life, but on the other 329 million feels too high, especially since Tesla is only partially to blame, it wasn't FSD, and the driver wasn't using the system correctly." What this sentence is describing are compensatory damages, e.g., compensation for loss of life That number was 129 not 329, and Tesla was only found liable for 33% of it CNBC: "T…
There was only one fatality
The "price" was $59M not $329M
"433465224","533","2025-08-01","","","2025-08-01.001","PAPERLESS Minute Entry for proceedings held before Judge Beth Bloom: Jury Trial completed on 8/1/2025. Deliberations continue. Jury verdict reached. Jury verdict published and polled. Verdict in favor of Plaintiffs.Total in compensatory damages as to Neima Benavides a Personal Rep. of the Estate of Naibel Benavides Leon: $59,000,000.Total in compensatory damages as to Dillon Angulo: $70,000,000.Total in Punitive Damages as to Neima Benavides and Dillon Angulo: $200,000,000. Total time in court: 5 hour(s) : 30 minutes. Attorney Appearance(s): Adam T. Boumel, Douglas Fredric Eaton, Brett Schreiber, Todd Poses, Thomas P. Branigan, Joel H. Smith, Wendy Frank Lumish, Hilarie Bass, Court Reporter: Yvette Hernandez, 305-523-5698 / Yvette_Hernandez@flsd.uscourts.gov. (ego) (Entered: 08/01/2025)","447817730","PACER Document","","","","533","","","","","","","","","","",""
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> On one hand I don't think you can apply a price to a human life, but on the other 329 million feels too high, (...) Let me stop you right there. That's not how damages work. Damages have two goals: compensate victims, and dissuade offenders from repeating the same mistakes. The latter involves punishments that discourage repeat offenses. That's where these high values come from. They are intended to force the likes…
I tend to agree, however the government is not an unincentivized incentivizer. By being able to impose such fines, the government is potentially itself incentivized to not prevent these accidents for they potentially cause this kind of revenue. There are ways to mitigate this, such as forcing the government to use these revenues in a way that is relevant to the issue at hand, i.e. creating safety jobs, strengthening…
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The argument is that if the driver was in a different vehicle he would have done just that, pulled over and picked it up, but because he believed the Tesla was capable of driving safely on it's own he didn't do so. Normally I turn the steering wheel when I want to turn my car. If you sold me a car and told me it had technology to make turns automatically without my input then I might let go of the wheel instead of tu…
Every time I engage Autopilot in my Model S it admonishes me with a notice in the instrument cluster that I am to keep my hands on the wheel. If I don't make it clear the car that I am there and holding on by applying a little rotational force to the wheel at least every fifteen seconds the car will remind me. So how does one conclude the that the car is capable of driving itself? Or is the version of Autopilot in th…
This accident occurred in 2019, several years before the recall.
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I imagine the jury heard "autopilot" and then assigned blame to the company that called it that. "[Plaintiffs] claimed Tesla’s Autopilot technology was flawed and deceptively marketed."
As gets pointed out ad nauseum, the very first "cruise control" product in cars was in fact called "Auto-Pilot". Also real "autopilot" systems in aircraft (where the term of art comes from!) aren't remotely supervision-free. This is a fake argument (post hoc rationalization): It invents a meaning to a phrase that seems reasonable but that has never been rigorously applied ever, and demands that one speaker, and only…
The first modern cruise control (tied to speed) was released in 1948, and was called a "speedostat." The first commercial use of the speedostat was in 1958, where the speedostat was called "Auto Pilot" in select Chrylser luxury models. Chrysler almost immediately renamed "autopilot" to "cruise-control" the following year in 1959, because the use of the term "auto pilot" was deemed misleading (airplane autopilots in 1959 could maintain speed and heading).
Or in other words...the history of cruise control is that the name "auto pilot" was explicitly rejected because of the dangerous connotations the term implied about the vehicle's capabilities.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/sightless-visionar...
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I'm guessing that dissolving your LLC as a punishment would include the forfeiture of all the associated assets, not distributing them to shareholders.
The “LL” in LLC stands for Limited Liability. The whole point is to financially insulate the owner(s).
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The system involved in this crash was never advertised as "full self driving".
From https://web.archive.org/web/20211002045634/https://www.tesla... : > Tesla cars come standard with advanced hardware capable of providing Autopilot features, and *full self-driving capabilities* — through software updates designed to improve functionality over time. > Tesla's Autopilot AI team drives the future of autonomy of current and new generations of vehicles. Learn about the team and apply to help accelera…