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> I know. Only thing valued here is Orange Man d3str0yed Am3rica, Israel is a terrorist state, and Tax the Rich > Losers

If you have a substantive argument to make, you are welcome to state it and you will be treated with respect. What is not welcome here is juvenile insults, baseless accusations, cynical snark, self-pitying claims of bias, and unfair characterization of people with different opinions, all of which you have done in the space of four comments.

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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We can thank Hitler for the exodus of academics to the US and for the creation of the Israel/Palestine issue (without the holocaust/ww2, the state would never had been made).

Zionism and Jewish colonizing of Palestine started before WW1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism

Yes, but they didn't steal the land until after WW2. What happened in the decades before WW2 is a strong warning to everybody about what can happen when you have mass immigration of young radicals of military age.

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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> "creating a hostile educational environment for Jewish and Israeli students" Of course suspending grants is probably the wrong way to go about it anyway, but since you brought this up... do you imply that it's false? I'm not in the US but I heard pretty interesting things about what was happening in universities following Oct 7.

Allowing people to speak out against overt genocide committed by a foreign government = anti-semitism. Isn’t that self-evident? /s Tbh, this standard argument is itself anti-Jewish as it implies this behavior is inherent to being Jewish, which of course is grotesque and inaccurate. * Jewish /= Zionist * Zionist /= Imperialist * Imperialist /= Genocidal What we have really imo is an extreme colonist policy that is onl…

Nice strawman. So how about the actual question which is hostile environment for students? I was downvoted for asking a question and this did not answer it.

Edit to reply: what I remember reading was not about saying "end genocide", it was about saying "you are a jew so go die" kind of stuff. It seemed pretty crazy but I didn't save any sources

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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Is monarchy a dictatorship?

If they say god appointed the person, is monarchy. If the person say she is going to stay in power because enemies, then it's a dictatorship.

Monarchy just means "rule by one". Dictatorship means, "because I said so".

A king who gets their power from God and can make rules whether or not the people consent is both a monarch and a dictator.

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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> "creating a hostile educational environment for Jewish and Israeli students" Of course suspending grants is probably the wrong way to go about it anyway, but since you brought this up... do you imply that it's false? I'm not in the US but I heard pretty interesting things about what was happening in universities following Oct 7.

Yes, it's false. Students have a first amendment right to express opinions, even anti-Zionist ones. The administration is using baseless charges of antisemitism as a cudgel to extract fealty and concessions from universities, which they see as opponents of their party.

This is a strawman. Of course there is free speech. It doesn't mean it's okay to talk on the phone in a cinema or recite the Bible aloud during a math lecture. It doesn't mean it's fair play to shout obscenities on the train and spit on people. Idk about US but there is a thing called "verbal abuse" and police is 100% callable for that. That out of the way so how about hostile environment for students again? I was downvoted for asking a question and this did not answer it.

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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The accusation from DOJ isn't about student speech, though. It's about the university's actions or inactions, which are not protected and are governed by obligations to Title VI discrimination law.

You're right, but the university is not allowed to censor student speech based on content. The "actions" that the administration claims the university should have taken would have violated the constitution.

Furthermore, the redresses the administration has proposed in similar cases (like the university reporting students who protest to federal authorities) suggest this is more about federal power / censorship than furthering universal free speech.

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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> Background: UCLA violated the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment and Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, "by acting with deliberate indifference in creating a hostile educational environment for Jewish and Israeli students." Translation: ULCA declined to violate the First Ammendment and allowed their students and faculty to criticize Israel.

It’s more akin to the civil rights movement/counter movement when some universities ignored various assaults on black students (saying it wasn’t their job to police behavior). The protesters were fine to criticize Israel, but then turning the rage to the actual American Jews on campus crossed the line.

Give me a MSM source that claims that student protesters on a UC campus targeted American Jews on campus with their "rage". For this, I do not regard instances where American Jews feel unsafe or threatened to fall under this where they felt that way due to having conflated anti-Israel sentiment with antisemitism, or because of having their own identity enmeshed with modern Israel. (I do not consider identifying with modern Israel part of being an American Jew.)

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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> "creating a hostile educational environment for Jewish and Israeli students" Of course suspending grants is probably the wrong way to go about it anyway, but since you brought this up... do you imply that it's false? I'm not in the US but I heard pretty interesting things about what was happening in universities following Oct 7.

It’s complete bullshit. Half the students protesting for Gaza were Jewish themselves.

This is the closest to the answer for now, thanks. I remember reading how it was pretty antisemitic with racial shaming and bordering on physical violence but can't remember what sources it was. If half of the protesters were jewish as you say then that's unlikely

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Additional Background: US government provides funding, US government tries to use that leverage to decide how the show will be run. Over the years I've come to accept the blind spot most people have where, despite all evidence, they assume that the government goals match their own. But it still isn't the case. The prudent approach is to set up institutions that are largely independent of government. Government fundin…

>> won his 3rd election Really - I think that more or less confirms your bias.

Reads as "won the 3rd election in which he has participated". Your assumptions betray your own.
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