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Re: Do not download the app, use the website

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Yelp is one of the worst. So much so that I will do everything in my power to never download their app out of spite.

Why would you even use Yelp the website?

What's the alternative? I don't use Google products and Apple maps shows Yelp reviews.

Re: Do not download the app, use the website

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Take Reddit, which is one of the few sites mentioned here that I use. At least initially, the value provided is getting rid of the constant prompts to load the site in the Reddit app. Even though I use old.reddit.com, which doesn't have those prompts, there are times when it redirects me to the new website automatically. Does it offer value beyond getting rid of those messages? Perhaps, but I doubt that it is the typ…

How about the value of being able to talk to people who share the same hobby you do. Or the value of being able to see a community made wiki about some topic you are trying to learn about. Even being able to see cat pictures is valuable to people.

None of that is unique to the app though, and existed before the app.

Re: Do not download the app, use the website

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You should! The browser APIs are straightforward: navigator.mediaSession.metadata = new MediaMetadata({ title: song.name, album: song.category, artwork: [{src: song.imagePath, type: 'image/jpg'}] }) navigator.mediaSession.setActionHandler('play', player.play) navigator.mediaSession.setActionHandler('pause', player.pause) navigator.mediaSession.setActionHandler('nexttrack', player.nextTrack) navigator.mediaSession.set…

Does it work on iOS too?

MDN says yes as of iOS 15. Don't have an iPhone to double check atm.

Re: Do not download the app, use the website

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The web gives us control over the way we interact with governments and companies. Because it allows modification, it can be used flexibly in ways that the organization did not think about or intend. This is always beneficial to the user.

With the web, we have:

  - Translation 
  - Read outloud
  - Plugins for dark mode 
  - Ad blocking
With apps, we have only what they give us.

Apps are enshitification.

Re: Do not download the app, use the website

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Nostalgia, network effects, and boiling thr frog. Then you build on that with business incentives; you may not like Facebook, but you need to advertise there because that's where everyone is. Basically, you rely on goodwill from yester-year and slowly ad in intrusive stuff that users adjust to. Thars enshittification in its raw essence. Admittedly, this mostly works because the general user is not "active" and will n…

Nostalgia changes how people perceive value. Network effects is about how exponential value can be gained from linear user growth. Boiling the frog us about slowly doing things to avoid changing how people perceive value. None of these are a sign a product has no value. No one would advertise with Facebook if there was no value from purchasing ad space. The billions of dollars people spend is evidence there is value…

> None of these are a sign a product has no value.

You described the majority of those as being about the perception of value rather than value.

>No one would advertise with Facebook if there was no value from purchasing ad space. The billions of dollars people spend is evidence there is value there for advertisers

No one is disputing that the advertisers are getting value. The pursuit of advertiser value at the expense of users is the complaint.

Re: Do not download the app, use the website

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post #167

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Take Reddit, which is one of the few sites mentioned here that I use. At least initially, the value provided is getting rid of the constant prompts to load the site in the Reddit app. Even though I use old.reddit.com, which doesn't have those prompts, there are times when it redirects me to the new website automatically. Does it offer value beyond getting rid of those messages? Perhaps, but I doubt that it is the typ…

How about the value of being able to talk to people who share the same hobby you do. Or the value of being able to see a community made wiki about some topic you are trying to learn about. Even being able to see cat pictures is valuable to people.

We should be able to get that value in a fair way without giving up massive amounts of information in sketchy ways.

Re: Do not download the app, use the website

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post #222

I cannot agree more and this has always been a pet peeve of mine. Most native apps are some half gig large where even the heaviest website is a few mb. They dont let you highlight text and have other bizarre design choices. Even worse, they request importing contacts list which isnt even an option on the web. Native apps could be butter but more often than not they are like margarine. Smooth, oily, and not good for y…

A lot of native apps are just wrappers around a JS context with a few bridges into native APIs and they are pure data grabs. Reddit always asks you to use its native app, for example. Why the fuck would I care so much about Reddit that I want it outside of my browser? Same goes for any other website.

Reddit is one of the cases where a native app makes sense. Some of the 3rd party Reddit apps were great.

But I'll eat my hat before I'll install Reddit's own app. Reddit killing off 3rd party apps is why I post here and not there.

Re: Do not download the app, use the website

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I cannot agree more and this has always been a pet peeve of mine. Most native apps are some half gig large where even the heaviest website is a few mb. They dont let you highlight text and have other bizarre design choices. Even worse, they request importing contacts list which isnt even an option on the web. Native apps could be butter but more often than not they are like margarine. Smooth, oily, and not good for y…

Most apps, these days, seem to be “hybrid,” where they use a system like Ionic or React. These systems usually slap on some considerable libraries. I understand why, but I’m not a fan of hybrid apps. I like to do native, which results in much smaller, faster, and more efficient apps. It’s just not as cost-effective, if you want to support multiple platforms. However, native apps aren’t automatically well-behaved ones…

If it's not a game or a large company's app, it's probably a web view app. At my company I work on the website, and we have an app that is essentially just a bunch of web views of the website. Why we need an app I don't know. I suppose people are just used to apps more than they are websites, which makes me sad.

Re: Do not download the app, use the website

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> If you've ever opened Reddit, LinkedIn, Pinterest, or practically any popular service on your phone's web browser, you've likely encountered it. Another website that asks to Get The App is https://imgur.com/ , every time you open a link to just view that image you instantly got asked to Get The App. It's really annoying!

I hate Imgur. Even with the app installed I find it doesn’t work well. I don’t understand why people use it — does it just work for them in a way it doesn’t for me, or are they more tolerant of its terrible usability?

It’s not designed to work well, it’s designed to serve ads.
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