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Re: You can now disable all AI features in Zed

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Post by adastra22 »

andoando wrote: post #143
thefaux wrote: post #78

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I listened to a podcast interview with one of the cofounders of zed. One of the revealing things is that he went on and on about how important latency was and how they had to do their own rendering because of the problems they ran into with electron. He also admits that he never used vim, which already has imperceptible latency relative to the terminal emulator, which has already largely solved the text rendering pro…

Why does a text editor of all things need faster rendering, I have never seen this to be an issue

Why do yaks need to be shaved?

Re: You can now disable all AI features in Zed

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Post by adastra22 »

zzo38computer wrote: post #161
Eggpants wrote: post #56

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Disagree. The tab completion is very annoying when you’re trying to type. I know, I know, AI hipsters think typing code is so 15 minutes ago. Get off my lawn/keyboard. Its agent AI assistant isn’t bad but sadly the restore points button in the AI panel seemed to be broken. The fact it reminds me of sublime text is a big plus for me. The rust evangelism is annoying. Really. No one cares what language a program is writ…

> The tab completion is very annoying when you’re trying to type. I think it is annoying if it completes it by itself, but tab completion can be helpful if you have to push the tab key (or whatever other key is mapped to autocompletion) to make the completion to work (although I don't need LLM to do tab completion).

Do you not use the tab key to indent code?

Re: You can now disable all AI features in Zed

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Post by leafmeal »

codethief wrote: post #221
leafmeal wrote: post #98

The thing that's so sticky for me with JetBrains IDEs is their run configurations. Being able to configure all of the environment variables etc. for the actual code that I need to run, especially when connecting to a debugger or tests integrated with the IDE. I haven't seen anyone else complain about this so I figure I must be missing something. Does Zed let you set up run configurations like this? If not, how do use…

> It seems backwards to me to use a fancy IDE, but then run all your code in the terminal. Having literally spent days at a time just to get a working run configuration at various employers and clients over the past decade, I find it backwards to use anything besides the terminal and version-controlled scripts & task runners / CLIs to fire up anything. (: People rarely document their JetBrains setup fully and even if…

Points taken about benefits of run scripts for portability, reproducibility, CI, etc. I'm mostly just trying to find a way to debug arbitrary programs and run tests in the IDE.

It looks like this should be possible with tasks https://zed.dev/docs/tasks#variables but I haven't put enough time into figuring it out yet.

Maybe my use case is too specific, but I'll spell it out just in case: I try and open a Django project in Zed. I go to a test file. There's a > arrow next to the test to run or debug, but it will only run it with PyTest (I use unittest, but PyTest is backwards compatible, so w/e). When I try to run it, it fails because some environment variables I need are not set. I don't see how to configure them so I'm dead in the water.

I'd also love to run the Django server with a debugger attached. It's not clear to me how to do that. I haven't found the rights docs. Dead in the water again.

Maybe I need to spend more time exploring and reading the docs :)

Re: You can now disable all AI features in Zed

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Post by the_duke »

dgunay wrote: post #215
singhrac wrote: post #65

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I think we don’t talk enough about tab completion model quality. Recently Copilot’s model got a lot better (probably trying to catch up to Cursor) but I feel like there’s still so much room here (and I assume Zeds is worse from your description). Smart context / big context is a really interesting question, I’m kind of surprised Google isn’t building here given how much effort they’ve put into big context (they have…

For Copilot the quality of the tab complete is less of an issue for me than the fact that it is often very slow, or doesn't trigger at all when I would expect it to. I'll sit there feeling like an idiot for 10 seconds and then glance at the bottom bar to discover that it's not even doing inference, and have to randomly move the cursor, or delete and retype code until it finally works.

I found Copilot tab completion completion to be VERY slow in Zed, for some reason.

It's fast in neovim.

Maybe they artificially slow down non-official clients somehow? (official neovim plugin, VS Code)

Re: You can now disable all AI features in Zed

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Post by frollogaston »

autoexec wrote: post #111
frollogaston wrote: post #76

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It also makes a lot of basic features on websites unusable. Just an HN vote uses JS. They deliberately added a fallback to work without it too, which most websites won't do, but it still has to reload the page.

Because of my job I end up browsing the web with JS disabled by default and 90% of the time I don't need JS at all. Most of the time there are features of websites that break/don't work (menus, search, videos, ads, etc) but the actual thing I went to the website to get works just fine. In fact, pages load much faster and look much cleaner! There are some annoying websites that can't manage to display simple text or e…

If you just want to read text, that makes sense. And HN will also fully work without JS.

Re: You can now disable all AI features in Zed

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Post by 3eb7988a1663 »

ivanjermakov wrote: post #175
leafmeal wrote: post #98

The thing that's so sticky for me with JetBrains IDEs is their run configurations. Being able to configure all of the environment variables etc. for the actual code that I need to run, especially when connecting to a debugger or tests integrated with the IDE. I haven't seen anyone else complain about this so I figure I must be missing something. Does Zed let you set up run configurations like this? If not, how do use…

For personal projects I just use npm scripts or make

Minus some magic, those scripts are not going to interface with the IDE debugger.

Re: You can now disable all AI features in Zed

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Post by dkersten »

vlod wrote: post #124
dkersten wrote: post #87

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Not everyone wants to use a terminal editor and of those people, not everyone wants to use vscode.

Learning a terminal editor will save your ass at 3am when production goes down. No joke.

I don’t say I don’t know how to use one. I was a longtime vim and then neovim user. But I don’t want to use one.

I still use vim for quick terminal edits, git commit messages, and doing stuff over ssh. But for my day to day heavy text editing, I do not want to sit in a terminal and be limited by what a terminal can display.

Re: You can now disable all AI features in Zed

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Post by dkersten »

cess11 wrote: post #181
dkersten wrote: post #85

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When did you last try Zed? If it was recently then that hasn’t quite matched my experience, for me vim keybindings work quite well. But I did think the same when I first used Zed over a year ago.

Is it now possible to import .vimrc, or otherwise configure e.g. the sequence j k to execute Escape?

No .vimrc importing, but remapping capability is quite comprehensive.

Re: You can now disable all AI features in Zed

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Post by Myrmornis »

hollowturtle wrote: post #202
hombre_fatal wrote: post #187

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The tab completion is the only thing that keeps me on Cursor. I never cared for the LLM sidebar. But the tab completion is basically mind-reading.

Same. I wish there was an option for enabling just tab completion and disable everything else

You can hide all sidebars in vscode and you don't have to use any AI chat features.

Re: You can now disable all AI features in Zed

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Post by drewbitt »

Zed has been moving fast lately and I can almost use it full time, but no git log and poor git diffing has me frequently clicking out of it. They are spending a huge amount of dev time on AI features instead, so this is a nice feature, but it still doesn't change their focus.
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