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It's rude to show AI output to people

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Re: It's rude to show AI output to people

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Post by dcreater »

bhaney wrote: post #59
dcreater wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We will have a web where proof of humanity is the de facto standard. Its only a question of when. Things have to get worse before they get better in afraid

How would that help? Plenty of humans will just continue to be willing AI-proxies.

Yes they will and they're reputation will be toggled accordingly within the community. When they're trustworthiness becomes questionable they'll feel the trade off of using AI and that will become a closed loop feedback.

Though that is an optimistic steady state, I still think we're going to see a lot more of "my AI talking to your AI" to some unhealthy degree

Re: It's rude to show AI output to people

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Post by Jensson »

distantprovince wrote: post #157
quietbritishjim wrote: post #95

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> now the interface deliberately suggests AI-generated responses to posts This feature absolutely defies belief. If I ran a social network (thank god I don't) one of my main worries would be a flood of AI skip driving away all the human users. And LinkedIn are encouraging it. How does that happen? My best guess is that it drives up engagement numbers to allow some disinterested middle managers to hit some internal ta…

This feature predates LLMs though, right? Funnily enough, I actually find it hilarious! In my mind, once they introduced it, it immediately became "a list of things NOT to reply if you want to be polite" and I was used it like that. With one exception. If I came across an update from someone who's a really good friend, I would unleash full power of AI comments on them! We had amazing AI generated comment threads with…

> This feature predates LLMs though, right?

LLM dates back to 2017, Google added that to internal gmail back then. Not sure when linkedin added it so you might be right, but the tech is much older than most thinks.

Re: It's rude to show AI output to people

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Post by moomoo11 »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #214
moomoo11 wrote: post #169

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That’s on them, I said what I wanted to. Most of the time people just like getting triggered that someone sent them a —— in their message and blame AI instead of adopting it into their workflows and moving faster.

That mentality is exactly what is reflected in AI messages: "not my problem I just need to get this over with". Those types of coworkers tend to be a drain on not just productivity, but entire team morale. Someone who can't take responsibility or in worst cases have any sort of empathy. And tools are a force multiplier. It amplifies productivity, but that also means it amplifies this anchor behavior as well.

So I'm ESL btw... maybe I should have run my message through AI lol.

I was replying to THAT person, and my message was that IF the person they're dealing with who uses AI happens to be giving them constant slop (not ME!!! not my message) THEN ignore what I have to say in that message THEREAFTER.

So if that person is dealing with others who are giving them slop, and not just being triggered that it reads like GPT..

Re: It's rude to show AI output to people

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Post by card_zero »

ninetyninenine wrote: post #36

The problem here is that I’ve been accused multiple times of using LLMs to write slop when it was genuinely written by myself. So I apologized and began actually using LLMs while making sure the prompt included style guides and rules to avoid the tell tale signs of AI. Then some of these geniuses thanked me for being more genuine in my response. A lot of this stuff is delusional. You only find it rude because you’re…

Shades of Cyrano de Bergerac and pig-butchering scams. Which lead me to read about Milgram's "cyranoids": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyranoid

And then "echoborgs": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echoborg

On the whole it's considered bad to mislead people. If my love letter to you is in fact a pre-written form, "my darling [insert name here]", and you suspect, but your suspicion is just baseless paranoia and a lucky guess, I suppose you're being delusional and I'm not being rude. But I'm still doing something wrong. Even if you don't suspect, and I call off the scam, I was still messing with you.

But the definition of being "misleading" is tricky, because we have personas and need them in order to communicate, which in any context at all is a kind of honest, sincere play-acting.

Re: It's rude to show AI output to people

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Post by Buttons840 »

Jtsummers wrote: post #65
Buttons840 wrote: post #37

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Use two dashes instead of an actual em dash. ChatGPT, at least, cannot do the same--it just can't.

It can't use two dashes? Is that like how Data couldn't use contractions (except he did)?

I've asked it before, "please rewrite that but replace the em dashes with double hyphens", and then it says "sure, here you go", and continues to use em dashes.

Re: It's rude to show AI output to people

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Post by skeledrew »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #227
skeledrew wrote: post #75

Not seeing a problem here as long as the one showing the output has reviewed it themselves before showing, and made the decision to show based on that review. That's what we should be advocating for. So far what I'm seeing is people slamming others or ignoring automatically on even the vague suspicion that something has been generated. Just the other day I witnessed in a chat someone commenting that another (who prev…

> the one showing the output has reviewed it themselves before showing Now let's really asks ourselves how this works out in reality. Cut corners. People using LLM's are not using it to enhance their conversation; they are using it to get it over with. It also doesn't help that yes, AI generated text tends to be overly verbose. Saying a lot of nothing. There are times where that formality is needed, but not in some c…

Shortening a conversation is a kind of enhancement. It means a state of satisfaction or completion has been reached that much sooner. Why debate back and forth for 20 minutes with incomplete arguments when 2 minutes will suffice by generating a well-prompted thread on the argument? Unless the lengthy arguing is the point.

Get a short answer by including "keep answer short" or similar in the prompt. It just works.

Re: It's rude to show AI output to people

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Post by staticautomatic »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #209
throwaway328 wrote: post #203

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The word for this, we learned recently, is "LLM inevitabilism". It's often argued for far more convincingly than your attempt here, too. The future is here, and even if you don't like it, and even if it's worse, you'll take it anyway. Because it's the future. Because... some megalomaniacal dweeb somewhere said so? When does this hype train get to the next station, so everyone can take a breath? All this "future" has…

Probably in a few years. The big Disney lawsuit may be that needle that pops the bubble. I do agree about this push for inevitable. in small ways this is true. But it doesn't need to take over every aspect of humanity. We have calculators but we still at the very least do basic mental math and don't resort to calculators for 5 + 5. It's been long established as rude to do more than quick glances at your phone when ph…

Disney is a good one to bet on. They basically have the most sophisticated IP lawyering team in world history.

Re: It's rude to show AI output to people

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Post by Ancapistani »

Buttons840 wrote: post #235
Jtsummers wrote: post #65

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It can't use two dashes? Is that like how Data couldn't use contractions (except he did)?

I've asked it before, "please rewrite that but replace the em dashes with double hyphens", and then it says "sure, here you go", and continues to use em dashes.

Were you using the web interface? If so, that’s likely why. It renders output dynamically on the frontend.

I bet if you did the same through the API, you’d get the results you want.

Re: It's rude to show AI output to people

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Post by pityJuke »

phito wrote: post #4

I really wish some of my coworkers would stop using LLMs to write me emails or even Teams messages. It does feel extremely rude, to the point I don't even want to read them anymore.

I especially hate when people use LLMs to make text longer! Stop wasting my time.

Re: It's rude to show AI output to people

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Post by Sammi »

eric_cc wrote: post #181
phito wrote: post #4

I really wish some of my coworkers would stop using LLMs to write me emails or even Teams messages. It does feel extremely rude, to the point I don't even want to read them anymore.

I know people with disabilities that struggle with writing. They feel that AI enables them to express themselves better than they could without the help. I know that’s not necessarily what you’re dealing with but it’s worth considering.

If they're copy pasting whole paragraphs, then they're not expressing themselves at all. They're getting some program to express for them.
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