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Two guys hated using Comcast, so they built their own fiber ISP

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Re: Two guys hated using Comcast, so they built their own fiber ISP

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I’m sorry I still don’t get it. Could you explain that in different phrasing ? A comcast customer always had the option to pay for unlimited data. I get that part. What is the 2nd part? “Started offering it as standard” means what?

In markets where Comcast has actual real competition, they "include" the unlimited data (aka no cap) with no extra charge when you sign up for their gigabit plans.

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Re: Two guys hated using Comcast, so they built their own fiber ISP

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"Everything that we're doing is all underground." This indicates that their local and state governments aren't (at this time) captured by the incumbent cable provider. A captured state gov will pass laws to thwart new infra deployment, commonly written by ISP interests. A captured local gov will never approve deployment or slow-walk permitting in an attempt to bankrupt the upstart. more explainers: New suburban fiber…

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Re: Two guys hated using Comcast, so they built their own fiber ISP

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Wow the US really has it bad when it comes to home internet. In many European countries, you can get symmetric Gbit internet for 30-40 EUR (probably less in some places), and I haven't seen a data cap in forever.

Would it make you jealous if I tell you, that I get 10 Gbit symmetric fiber here in Switzerland (greater Zurich area) for roughly 80 USD/month with no data cap? And I can use my own router and could even go up to 25 Gbit if I want ;-) Oh, and did I mention no CGNAT and it comes with a static /48 IPv6 net?

I'm paying under $40/mo for 10g symmetric here in southern Japan, that's including the extra charge for a public static IPv4 address (standard is a /56 IPv6 and tunneled CGNAT IPv4)

Re: Two guys hated using Comcast, so they built their own fiber ISP

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I understand the need for independent fiber ISPs. But are gigabit speeds really necessary? For me, a 300 Mbps connection is way more than enough for a four-person family.

I mean the question is why limit it? I'm paying under $40/mo for 10 gigabit, bandwidth shouldn't be expensive, the expensive part is digging the last mile.

Re: Two guys hated using Comcast, so they built their own fiber ISP

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Comcast similarly removed their 1.2TB cap in my neighborhood within months of us getting fiber. It's almost like the only reason for the cap was because they could get away with it when there wasn't any competition.

Comcast is notorious for exploiting places that don't have any other real options. Just before Google Fiber was activated in my area, Comcast stepped up their game big time. The only problem is that they had spent years nickel and diming me for actual connection speeds that didn't even come close to their advertised rates, and their latency/jitter is garbage compared to fiber. Comcast clearly doesn't want to have to…

I live on a dead end road with two ISPs and the one that isn't comcast is unusable. Comcast pretty much laughed at me when I asked if there was anything that could be done to drop my overpriced bill

Re: Two guys hated using Comcast, so they built their own fiber ISP

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So when you said `ask for IPv6` you meant `ask for a static IPv6 prefix` or something else similar to a static IPv4 address? Or is this an apples to oranges comparison? And then you say `Nobody asks for IPv4` - so nobody asks for IPv4 and 0.5% ask for IPv6?

2 of my customers explicitly asked for IPv6 prefixes. Another ISP had a couple of users actively using IPv6 15 years ago, but it bitrotted and nobody cared enough to ask for it to be fixed. Another user recently asked to be provided with IPv6 (actually, forcefully demanded it rater) and then didn't even bother to enable IPv6 on their router. So, yeah, I don't see IPv6 being relevant as a small ISP today.

I have had a grand total of one customer ask in almost 10 years. I have the block and announce it but there are so many dangers with implementing it that I am scared to even try yet until we slow down a little.

Re: Two guys hated using Comcast, so they built their own fiber ISP

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"Everything that we're doing is all underground." This indicates that their local and state governments aren't (at this time) captured by the incumbent cable provider. A captured state gov will pass laws to thwart new infra deployment, commonly written by ISP interests. A captured local gov will never approve deployment or slow-walk permitting in an attempt to bankrupt the upstart. more explainers: New suburban fiber…

This was even a major hurdle for Google Fiber. The incumbent ISPs did everything they could to obstruct them from installing fiber, and it was fairly effective even against someone with deep pockets like Google.

In fairness, google tried to bypass all of the systems that already exist and are widely used for doing pole attachments.

Re: Two guys hated using Comcast, so they built their own fiber ISP

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> I'm one of their customers. It's pretty good - their provided router is locked down to hell and they're on a cgnat This sounds like mine. I'm guessing yours doesn't support IPv6 because most fiber providers don't. For the router, I already build firewalls so that. I pay $10/mo to escape their cgnat. I've also alerted them to expect regular haranguing from me about deploying IPv6. Especially since bgp.he.net shows t…

Comcast has pretty good IPv6 support

Charter does too except their allocation size is your puzzle to figure out. Maybe it's /56, maybe it's /60, maybe neither of those will work. I've run into all the above.

Re: Two guys hated using Comcast, so they built their own fiber ISP

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You shouldn't be seeing the CGNAT addresses inside your home network, should you?

Depends on your network, router configuration. But in any case, if you install it on a router where the upstream uses CGNAT yes, you would.

Router straddles inside and outside. I know there's a way where you could put tailscale on your router but it's not the normal way to use it.

Re: Two guys hated using Comcast, so they built their own fiber ISP

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I'm one of their customers. I often see that one green car parked down the road. It's pretty good - their provided router is locked down to hell and they're on a cgnat, but not having to deal with Comcast's 1.2tb data cap is well worth it. Checking Comcast's site now, it seems that they now offer "unlimited" data. Interesting, that option wasn't there 6 months ago. ~100 customers seems too small for the amount of eff…

their provided router is locked down to hell and they're on a cgnat So not actually better than Comcast, just bad in a different way.

I love how these guys are trying to sort the lack of competition in broadband, stood up and did something about it and all the geeks on HN are upset that they are not doing something that the majority of their customers would not give shit about or even come close to understanding.

Everyone here that has started a company to challenge the entrenched monopoly raise your hands please.

I understand the tech deeply and that does not translate to the practical needs of trying to run a successful business.

I raise a toast to these guys. Well done.

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