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Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by numpad0 »

ohdeargodno wrote: post #8
ryao wrote: post #5

> The RTX 50 series are the second generation of NVIDIA cards to use the 12VHPWR connector. This is wrong. The 50 series uses 12V-2x6, not 12VHPWR. The 30 series was the first to use 12VHPR. The 40 series was the second to use 12VHPWR and first to use 12V-2x6. The 50 series was the second to use 12V-2x6. The female connectors are what changed in 12V-2x6. The male connectors are identical between 12V-2x6 and 12VHPWR.

Nitpicking it doesn't change the fact that the 12v2x6 connector _also_ burns down.

(context: 12VHPWR and 12V-2x6 are the exact same thing. The latter is supposed to be improved and totally fixed, complete with the underspecced load-bearing "supposed to be" clause.)

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by topato »

ionwake wrote: post #117
NewsaHackO wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yea, this seems like the initial poster has reading comprehension skill deficiencies and is blaming NVIDIA for lying about a point they never made. NVIDIA is even releasing some of the code they used to power the robot, which further proves that they in no way said the robot was not being operator controlled, just that it was using AI to make it’s movement look more fluid.

fair enough, upvoted.

I seem to remember multiple posts on large tech websites having the exact same opinion/conclusion/insinuation as the one you originally had, so not necessarily comprehension problem on your part. My opinion: Nvidia's CEO has a problem communicating in good faith. He absolutely knew what he was doing during that little stage show, and it was absolutely designed to mislead people toward the most "AI HYPE, PLEASE BUY GPUs, MY ROBOT NEEDS GPUS TO LIVE" conclusion

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by scrubs »

ksec wrote: post #214
scrubs wrote: post #125

Another perspective: Nvidia customer support on their mellanox purchase ...is total crap. It's the worst of corporate America ... paper pushing beurceatric guys who slow roll stuff ... getting to a smart person behind the customer reps requires one to be an ape in a bad mood 5x ... I think they're so used to that now that unless you go crazy mode their take is ... well I guess he wasn't serious about his ask and he d…

I have guessing you have HP "mellanox"? Because Connect-X support are great.

>I have guessing you have HP "mellanox"? Because Connect-X support are great.

I'll have to take your word on that.

And if I take your word: ergo not Connect-X support sucks

So that's sucks yet again on the table ... for what the 3rd time? Nvidia sucks.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by ryao »

alright2565 wrote: post #223
ryao wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Has anyone made 12VHPWR cables that replace the 12 little wires with 2 large gauge wires yet? That would prevent the wires from becoming unbalanced, which should preempt the melting connector problem. As a bonus, if the gauge is large enough, the cable would actually cool the connectors, although that should not be necessary since the failure appears to be caused by overloaded wires dumping heat into the connector as…

Might help a little bit, by heatsinking the contacts better, but the problem is the contact resistance, not the wire resistance. The connector itself dangerously heats up. Or at least I think so? Was that a different 12VHPWR scandal?

I thought that the contact resistance caused the unbalanced wires, which then overheat alongside the connector, giving the connector’s heat nowhere to go.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by [deleted] »

middle-aged-man wrote: post #219
rkagerer wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apparently somebody did sue a couple years back. Anyone know what happened with the [plaintiff] vs. nVidia lawsuit? EDIT: Plantiff dismissed it. Guessing they settled. Here are the court documents (alternately, shakna's links below include unredacted copies): https://www.classaction.org/media/plaintiff-v-nvidia-corpora... https://www.classaction.org/media/plaintiff-v-nvidia-corpora... A GamersNexus article investigat…

Do those mention failing to follow Underwriters Laboratory requirements? I’m curious whether the 5090 package was not following UL requirements. Would that make them even more liable? Part of me believes that the blame here is probably on the manufacturers and that this isn’t a problem with Nvidia corporate.

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Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by aledalgrande »

bob1029 wrote: post #115
neuroelectron wrote: post #42

Seems a bit calculated and agreed across the industry. What can really make sense of Microsoft's acquisitions and ruining of billion dollar IPs? It's a manufactured collapse of the gaming industry. They want to centralize control of the market and make it a service based (rent seeking) sector. I'm not saying they all got together and decided this together but their wonks are probably all saying the same thing. The ma…

I think the reason you see things like Blizzard killing off Overwatch 1 is because the Lindy effect applies in gaming as well. Some things are so sticky and preferred that you have to commit atrocities to remove them from use. From a supply/demand perspective, if all of your customers are still getting high on the 5 (or 20) year old supply, launching a new title in the same space isn't going to work. There are not an…

Petition related to companies like Blizzard killing games: https://eci.ec.europa.eu/045/public/#/screen/home

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by anonymars »

fracus wrote: post #195

This was an efficient, well written, TKO.

Agreed. An excellent summary of a lot of missteps that have been building for a while. I had watched that article on the power connector/ shunt resistors and was dumbfounded at the seemingly rank-amateurish design. And although I don't have a 5000 series GPU I have been astonished at how awful the drivers have been for the better part of a year.

As someone who filed the AMD/ATi ecosystems due to their quirky unreliability, Nvidia and Intel have really shit the bed these days (I also had the misfortune of "upgrading" to a 13th gen Intel processor just before we learned that they cook themselves)

I do think DLSS supersampling is incredible but Lord almighty is it annoying that the frame generation is under the same umbrella because that is nowhere near the same, and the water is awful muddy since "DLSS" is often used without distinction

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by wasabinator »

lukeschlather wrote: post #224
rkagerer wrote: post #163

I am a volunteer firefighter and hold a degree in electrical engineering. The shenanigans with their shunt resistors, and ensuing melting cables, is in my view criminal. Any engineer worth their salt would recognize pushing 600W through a bunch of small cables with no contingency if some of them have failed is just asking for trouble. These assholes are going to set someone's house on fire. I hope they get hit with a…

Also, like, I kind of want to play with these things, but also I'm not sure I want a computer that uses 500W+ in my house, let alone just a GPU. I might actually be happy to buy one of these things, at the inflated price, and run it at half voltage or something... but I can't tell if that is going to fix these concerns or they're just bad cards.

It's not the voltage, it's the current you'd want to halve. The wire gauge required to carry power is dependent on the current load. It's why when i first saw these new connectors and the loads they were being tasked with it was a wtf moment for me. Better to just avoid them in the first place though.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by ThrowawayTestr »

bigyabai wrote: post #221
a_wild_dandan wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I purchased "approximately $0.00" in TF2 loot boxes. How much exactly? Left as an exercise to the reader.

People forget that TF2 was originally 20 dollars before hitting the F2P market.

I paid full price for the orange box

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by whamlastxmas »

strictnein wrote: post #105

This really makes no sense: > This in turn sparked rumors about NVIDIA purposefully keeping stock low to make it look like the cards are in high demand to drive prices. And sure enough, on secondary markets, the cards go way above MSRP Nvidia doesn't earn more money when cards are sold above MSRP, but they get almost all the hate for it. Why would they set themselves up for that? Scalpers are a retail wide problem. A…

Nvidia shareholders make money when share price rises. Perceived extreme demand raises share prices
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