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Mini NASes marry NVMe to Intel's efficient chip

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Re: Mini NASes marry NVMe to Intel's efficient chip

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My main challenge is that we don't have wired ethernet access in our rooms so even if I bought a mini-NAS and attached it to the router over ethernet, all "clients" will be accessing it over wifi. Not sure if anyone else has dealt with this and/or how this setup works over wifi.

Do you have a coax drop in the room? MoCA adapters are a decent compromise - not as good as an ethernet connection, but better than wireless.

Thanks, I didn't know about MoCA adapters, will investigate further.

Re: Mini NASes marry NVMe to Intel's efficient chip

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The selling point for the people in the Plex community is the N100/N150 include Intel’s Quicksync which gives you video hardware transcoding without a dedicated video card. It’ll handle 3 to 4 4K transcoded streams. There are several sub $150 units that allow you to upgrade the ram, limited to one 32gb stick max. You can use an nvme to sata adapter to add plenty of spinning rust or connect it to a das. While I wouldn…

The device I linked below ( https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006369887180.html ) has a XEON, ECC, 2xNVMe, SATA, 2.5GBit and everything else you need in a very small box. Intel also means it has QuickSync, so you won't need to buy a N150. However, I tend to be sceptic about these aliexpress-boxes, too. Reliable server manufacturers, like Dell, HP, Lenovo or Fujitsu (RIP) are way more reliable.

I agree, if your linked pc wasn't from aliexpress it would be a compelling alternative. Not that these n100 mini-pcs are any better, but I can get one tomorrow off amazon for under $150.

I do think they bridge the server gap between using a rpi and a full server. Likely for the hobbyist that doesn't yet have the need (or space) for better hardware.

Re: Mini NASes marry NVMe to Intel's efficient chip

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i am the perfect target demographic for these mini NASes as I live in a studio apartment, but instead I just bought a decommissioned Nutanix 2U rack server for my homelab. OP claims 120TB is more than he needs, and my data hoarding is headed the opposite direction

Re: Mini NASes marry NVMe to Intel's efficient chip

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While it may be tempting to go "mini" and NVMe, for a normal use case I think this is hardly cost effective. You give up so much by using an all in mini device... No Upgrades, no ECC, harder cooling, less I/O. I have had a Proxmox Server with a used Fujitsu D3417 and 64gb ecc for roughly 5 years now, paid 350 bucks for the whole thing and upgraded the storage once from 1tb to 2tb. It draws 12-14W in normal day use an…

Where are you measuring the power consumption? I've recently started measuring the wattage of all the various electronics in my collection, and I haven't found any computer that's not underpowered and draws under 25W from the wall when idle, and that's with no HDDs and minimal RAM.

Turns out I actually have power supplies that alone draw over 30W with zero load; when trying for the lowest idle power consumption I've found that the choice of power supply matters a lot,

Re: Mini NASes marry NVMe to Intel's efficient chip

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While it may be tempting to go "mini" and NVMe, for a normal use case I think this is hardly cost effective. You give up so much by using an all in mini device... No Upgrades, no ECC, harder cooling, less I/O. I have had a Proxmox Server with a used Fujitsu D3417 and 64gb ecc for roughly 5 years now, paid 350 bucks for the whole thing and upgraded the storage once from 1tb to 2tb. It draws 12-14W in normal day use an…

Gen 11 HPE Microservers seem pretty decent:

https://buy.hpe.com/us/en/compute/tower-servers/proliant-mic...

Pity they're Intel cpu's though. :(

HPE have announced 12th Gen servers for their other lines recently, so maybe the Microservers will get a 12th Gen update this year too. Hopefully with AMD cpus rather than the Intel crap.

Re: Mini NASes marry NVMe to Intel's efficient chip

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While it may be tempting to go "mini" and NVMe, for a normal use case I think this is hardly cost effective. You give up so much by using an all in mini device... No Upgrades, no ECC, harder cooling, less I/O. I have had a Proxmox Server with a used Fujitsu D3417 and 64gb ecc for roughly 5 years now, paid 350 bucks for the whole thing and upgraded the storage once from 1tb to 2tb. It draws 12-14W in normal day use an…

Gen 11 HPE Microservers seem pretty decent: https://buy.hpe.com/us/en/compute/tower-servers/proliant-mic... Pity they're Intel cpu's though. :( HPE have announced 12th Gen servers for their other lines recently, so maybe the Microservers will get a 12th Gen update this year too. Hopefully with AMD cpus rather than the Intel crap.

Personally i find these too expensive compared to the good old N54L and Dell T20 era.

The Hardware is great but >1000 bucks is pretty hard even for enthusiasts

Re: Mini NASes marry NVMe to Intel's efficient chip

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Well, if you would like to go mini (with ECC and 2.5G) you could take a look at this one: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006369887180.html Not totally upgradable, but at least pretty low cost and modern with an optional SATA + NVMe combination for Proxmox. Shovel in an enterprise SATA and a consumer 8TB WD SN850x and this should work pretty good. Even Optane is supported. IPMI could be replaced with NanoKVM or J…

Nice indeed. With only 2 nvme slots, what drive configuration do you have in your mind? Backup from nvme to HDD locally and another device remote?

For my personal purpose i would go 2 x wd sn850x 2tb RAID1 nvme(consumer)

You could also go 32gb+ Intel optane Boot and enterprise SATA data, depending on your use case

Re: Mini NASes marry NVMe to Intel's efficient chip

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I appreciate you laying it out like that. I've seen these NVME NAS things mentioned and had been thinking that the reliability of SSDs was so much worse than HDDs.

SSDs are just limited write cycles whereas HDDs literally spin themselves to death. In a simple consumer NAS usage, like if this was just photo backup, that basically means SSDs will last forever. Meanwhile those HDDs start hitting borrowed time at 5-8 years, regardless of write cycles.

I have had two Sandisk 2.5 inch SSDS just suddenly fail. No warning that I could discern, and no way to recover afterwards. Both were while running Debian variants as a / partition, luckily I keep /home on a separate partition.

Any idea what that failure mode could have been? It worries me tremendously to keep data on an SSD now.

Re: Mini NASes marry NVMe to Intel's efficient chip

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SSDs are just limited write cycles whereas HDDs literally spin themselves to death. In a simple consumer NAS usage, like if this was just photo backup, that basically means SSDs will last forever. Meanwhile those HDDs start hitting borrowed time at 5-8 years, regardless of write cycles.

I have had two Sandisk 2.5 inch SSDS just suddenly fail. No warning that I could discern, and no way to recover afterwards. Both were while running Debian variants as a / partition, luckily I keep /home on a separate partition. Any idea what that failure mode could have been? It worries me tremendously to keep data on an SSD now.

I had a Samsung 960 Pro nvme fail without warning, that was even more concerning

Then shortly after I had a BTRFS fail without failing Hardware on another drive

Just backup your stuff with 3-2-1 strategy and you're OK.

I'd recommend a combination of syncthing, restic and ZFS (with zfs-auto-snapshot, sanoid or zrepl) and maybe bluray (as readonly medium)

Re: Mini NASes marry NVMe to Intel's efficient chip

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While it may be tempting to go "mini" and NVMe, for a normal use case I think this is hardly cost effective. You give up so much by using an all in mini device... No Upgrades, no ECC, harder cooling, less I/O. I have had a Proxmox Server with a used Fujitsu D3417 and 64gb ecc for roughly 5 years now, paid 350 bucks for the whole thing and upgraded the storage once from 1tb to 2tb. It draws 12-14W in normal day use an…

Where are you measuring the power consumption? I've recently started measuring the wattage of all the various electronics in my collection, and I haven't found any computer that's not underpowered and draws under 25W from the wall when idle, and that's with no HDDs and minimal RAM. Turns out I actually have power supplies that alone draw over 30W with zero load; when trying for the lowest idle power consumption I've…

I use a cheap power meter for initial testing and a tasmota plug for having a monitoring solution as well as a second measure and a possibility ro remote hard reset in case of a freeze or something.

Turns out that power supply and motherboard are the most important to save power - besides low C-states (powertop). I had best results with Fujitsu D3x17 / d3644 and Gigabyte C246 wu2.

Today these are unicorns not worth hunting for. Like I said: No modern server grade board is that good while being cheap. You could take a look at

  Kontron K3851-R ATX
If i remember correctly. Kontron bought Fujitsus Mainboard segment a while ago.
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