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Re: My open source project was relicensed by a YC company [license updated]

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Post by joshuaissac »

hcfman wrote: post #151
hcfman wrote: post #141

Doesn't this happen all the time with Ultralytics yolo code? They use an AGPL license, which to my understand means that anything that links with this code also becomes AGPL. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but is the license also viral if there's a network connection involved? i.e. I run the code in a container with a little network interface added ? And yet Microsoft have release code with different licenses that m…

I really like the work that Microsoft did with Pytorch Wildlife but not brave enough to trust the MIT license they put on their code that uses Ultralytics code and all attempts to check if it was okay for them to change the licenses seem to indicate that they may not do this. Love to know for sure. Maybe someone from Ultralytics can point out their view on this?

> their code that uses Ultralytics code [...] if it was okay for them to change the licenses

Did they copy Ultralytics code and change the licence from AGPL to MIT? Or does their code rely on AGPL code without copying it?

The first is not allowed but the second is, because the combined work can still be used under the terms of the AGPL.

Re: My open source project was relicensed by a YC company [license updated]

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Post by giantg2 »

seunosewa wrote: post #226
Havoc wrote: post #220

To a casual outside observer the quality of the companies YC invests in seems to have absolutely cratered. Have they just given up on vetting and switched to a throw money at everything approach?

My feeling is that they are investing in founders who they find impressive who are working in AI. Not so much in the uniqueness of their ideas.

Yeah, this is the vibe I have been getting for some time - investing in the person and not the idea.

Re: My open source project was relicensed by a YC company [license updated]

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Post by Grikbdl »

zettabomb wrote: post #188
dheerajvs wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an interviewer, I'm seeing a huge increase in proportion of candidates cheating surreptitiously during video interviews. And it's becoming difficult to suspect any wrong-doing unless you're very watchful by looking for academic responses to questions. Why would anyone encourage building such a tool, I can't fathom.

It's pretty simple - people need to eat (and fulfill other basic needs, of course), to eat they need jobs, to get jobs they need to pass the interview. The hiring process in a lot of industries is heavily gamed at this point, to the point that not cheating is basically an automatic fail. So, if you want to eat, you cheat.

> The hiring process in a lot of industries is heavily gamed at this point, to the point that not cheating is basically an automatic fail.

This sound a bit of "thief thinks everyone steals". Interview preparation is normal and common but I don't think cheating is. May depend on the location of course.

Re: My open source project was relicensed by a YC company [license updated]

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Post by VoidWhisperer »

noufalibrahim wrote: post #124
VoidWhisperer wrote: post #14

In a general sense, open source theft is bad, obviously. I have trouble feeling bad for this specific case though, given that it is a tool for cheating in interviews and tests.

Two separate issues. I'd be happy for a platform that encourages and facilities cheating to disappear and not be used anymore. So, on that front, I'd agree. As a side point though, the fact that someone big is funding something like that means, it's not really an issue for, atleast some, people. The license violation is a problem independent of this. If this becomes acceptable for any reason (including the one that y…

> The license violation is a problem independent of this. If this becomes acceptable for any reason (including the one that your post seemed to suggest - original work is unethical), it will have detrimental effects on a lot of good players as well.

This is a fair point. Just to clarify, I still think open source theft/license violation is bad and should not be happening, even to a scummier project like this.

> As a side point though, the fact that someone big is funding something like that means, it's not really an issue for, atleast some, people.

Unfortunately some people have no issue with ethical concerns around what they fund as long as it stands any chance of making them money.

Re: My open source project was relicensed by a YC company [license updated]

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Post by giantg2 »

dheerajvs wrote: post #173
npsomaratna wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not the developer, but here is his repo: https://github.com/sohzm/cheating-daddy

As an interviewer, I'm seeing a huge increase in proportion of candidates cheating surreptitiously during video interviews. And it's becoming difficult to suspect any wrong-doing unless you're very watchful by looking for academic responses to questions. Why would anyone encourage building such a tool, I can't fathom.

I won't use it, but I do see it as somewhat symmetric. If the interviewers are using AI or expecting you to use AI for these tasks once you're on the job, then it doesn't seem completely immoral.

Re: My open source project was relicensed by a YC company [license updated]

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Post by elcapitan »

dheerajvs wrote: post #173
npsomaratna wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not the developer, but here is his repo: https://github.com/sohzm/cheating-daddy

As an interviewer, I'm seeing a huge increase in proportion of candidates cheating surreptitiously during video interviews. And it's becoming difficult to suspect any wrong-doing unless you're very watchful by looking for academic responses to questions. Why would anyone encourage building such a tool, I can't fathom.

If a question you are asking in an interview can be answered immediately by an AI, then why hire for that position in the first place?

Re: My open source project was relicensed by a YC company [license updated]

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Post by juped »

seunosewa wrote: post #226
Havoc wrote: post #220

To a casual outside observer the quality of the companies YC invests in seems to have absolutely cratered. Have they just given up on vetting and switched to a throw money at everything approach?

My feeling is that they are investing in founders who they find impressive who are working in AI. Not so much in the uniqueness of their ideas.

This sort of thing reflects poorly precisely on the people doing it, not on "ideas".

Re: My open source project was relicensed by a YC company [license updated]

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Post by harvey9 »

koakuma-chan wrote: post #208

Hey I was having an interview the other day, and they had me show my task manager. Is your thing able to bypass that? (just curious)

It will just show a process named cheating-daddy. I doubt any interviewers will think that's suspicious.

Half serious: why do you think a free tool focused on real time gen ai would also have a faked task manager feature?

Re: My open source project was relicensed by a YC company [license updated]

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Post by moeffju »

slouch wrote: post #40
alberth wrote: post #38

Maybe I’m looking at the wrong repos but both appear to be GPL-3 (or maybe it was relicensed back to original GPL-3?) https://github.com/sohzm/cheating-daddy https://github.com/pickle-com/glass

11 minutes ago "licensed fixed" https://github.com/pickle-com/glass/commit/5c462179acface889...

And now they rewrote Git history and that commit is dangling. Wow...

Re: My open source project was relicensed by a YC company [license updated]

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Post by diggan »

seunosewa wrote: post #226
Havoc wrote: post #220

To a casual outside observer the quality of the companies YC invests in seems to have absolutely cratered. Have they just given up on vetting and switched to a throw money at everything approach?

My feeling is that they are investing in founders who they find impressive who are working in AI. Not so much in the uniqueness of their ideas.

Isn't that a very outspoken objective of YC, to fund people, not ideas? Long time ago I caught up to what YC is doing, but even when I first joined HN back in like 2013 I think the whole "Fund people, not ideas" shtick was already explicitly what they were doing, unless I remember wrong.
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