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Re: Websites hosting major US climate reports taken down

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Post by bombcar »

timr wrote: post #53
bombcar wrote: post #50

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If you see your hosts file what the DNS used to show, does the server respond? That’s usually the real test.

I don't know, it's a good question. I don't have the IP addresses cached. NPR notes that the report is here [1], so if someone is trying to hide it, they're not doing a particularly good job. [1] https://repository.library.noaa.gov/view/noaa/61592

https://dnshistory.org/historical-dns-records/a/globalchange...

It seems to be maybe AWS, and manual IP action doesn't get anything.

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Post by hibikir »

shafyy wrote: post #221
jajko wrote: post #200

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> Pendulum has swung too far to the left, while the best long term place is as usually somewhere in the middle (which would still be extreme left by US standards but who cares about that)." Is there an EU state government where a left-wing party has the majority? I can't think of one, certainly not one of the bigger countries in EU like Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Poland...*

So PSOE, the ones with a rose in their logo aren't left enough for you? They have a coalition with some parties that are quite a bit further left too.

Re: Websites hosting major US climate reports taken down

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Post by ben_w »

4gotunameagain wrote: post #228
shafyy wrote: post #220

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It also made "no sense" for Russia to attack Ukraine. This is not about rational thinking.

If we are to be completely rational, what made no sense was Ukraine thinking it could be a part of NATO, or independent. It is the sad reality of existing next to a superpower. You cannot be independent. It would either be heavily influenced by Russia, or the option B they chose: in rubble.

Russia stopped being a superpower with the fall of the USSR. And before anyone says so, "has a permanent seat on UN security council" doesn't count, the UK and France also have that status and even combined were no longer superpowers by the time of the Suez crisis. Likewise "has nukes" is not sufficient.

The EU is closer to being one than Russia is today, and even then the EU is only kinda a bit of one in some measures but not all.

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Post by Hnrobert42 »

zmgsabst wrote: post #134
perrygeo wrote: post #92

If this administration doesn't want to do anything to solve climate change, that's their choice. It's a terrible choice, but it's in their power to do so. However, there's a huge difference between dismissing the severity of the evidence vs. going out of your way to hide evidence. The first is born of arrogance. The later is naked cowardice - they know exactly how wrong they are. If they wanted to project strength, t…

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I'm not sure that's a fair argument. When social media takes down what it perceives as misinformation, the right uses the sunshine argument. "Leave it up and let the best argument win."

In any event, just because you don't like the conclusion doesn't mean it is biased.

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Post by dgb23 »

close04 wrote: post #201
beanjammin wrote: post #67

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They certainly want us to feel like its unfixable, but it's not. Were govt to put the effort into the energy transition that we saw in the early days of covid we could zero our emissions, and relatively quickly. The technology is largely available, it needs to be implemented. The ties between the fossil fuel industry and the far right are clear. Apathy, indifference, inertia, they are all products of propaganda and u…

> The ties between the fossil fuel industry and the far right are clear. The fossil fuel industry has ties to anyone who will promote their business. > Fossil fuel interests will stop at nothing to further their greed. Exactly. Nothing. If tomorrow the left advances their interest be sure that the fossil fuel industry will just as quickly attach to them.

Is there a term to describe "whataboutism but it's not even happening"?

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Post by zbentley »

nandomrumber wrote: post #199
aredox wrote: post #190

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That's until you get disabled in an accident - or your son or daughter is. Then you'll suddenly convert to how benefits are essential. (In before: "I don't need a car insurance, I'll never get into any accident, I am too good a driver for that")

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You didn’t really answer GP’s point, though. What if a big, strong family is struck by disaster (multiple earners lose jobs or die, or one member develops, say, an illness or huge debt which consumes the entire family’s resources)?

Those kind of scenarios aren’t that rare even in places with very family-first social safety nets (which, incidentally, are often places with high poverty and low standard of living).

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Post by hollerith »

garte wrote: post #172
hollerith wrote: post #164

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The last big round of global innovation was internet services, of which I'm pretty sure (not having looked it up) that US exports represent the majority of world exports. Apple keeps half the sales price of every iPhone whereas the last I saw Foxconn gets only a few dollars per phone for the final assembly. It used to be that most of the expensive components (display, memory) in the iPhone were supplied by Japan, S K…

It's about the "next big thing" not what happened 20 years ago.

Sure, but how are you and I supposed to know which country will win the export market for the next big thing?

We could guess, but there's been a lot of guesses (confidently made out to be facts and inevitabilities) made in this thread so far. I'm trying to ground the discussion in actual facts.

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Post by Shalomboy »

esalman wrote: post #169

NOAA released their budget estimate for FY 2026. Someone in our org ran it by copilot to summarize the impacts: * NOAA eliminates most climate, weather, and ocean labs and grants, causing major layoffs and loss of research capacity. * National climate research infrastructure is lost, with staff reductions. * Regional climate services, adaptation, and heat health programs end. * All climate research grants are cut. *…

It just occurred to me that SEAMAP will be* gone, and I didn't notice because the people looking ahead at these sorts of things while I kept my head down and worked were all fired. I will need a new job.

* I say will be, because it was already cut down to size last spring.

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Post by Xss3 »

bko wrote: post #70
triceratops wrote: post #2

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_Look_Up

I think we rely too much on government mandated websites than we do practical common sense that could save lives. For instance, over 175,000 people die from heat exposure each year across the WHO European Region. Compare that to 1-2k in the US. In this case, the Don't Look Up scenario is that people don't want to get A/C and governments sometimes make it very hard for them, killing hundreds of thousands because... I…

Awful misinformation.

The WHO European Region includes Central Asia and Russia, massive populations that aren't in the EU.

You cant draw ANY conclusions about the EU from this data.

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