Sam Altman Slams Meta’s AI Talent Poaching: 'Missionaries Will Beat Mercenaries'

Post by jacquesm » Wed, Jul 02, 2025, 3:36 AM UTC

_aavaa_ wrote: post #226

echelon wrote: post #118

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Most of Meta's models have not been released as open source. Llama was a fluke, and it helps to commoditize your compliment when you're not the market leader. There is no good or open AI company of scale yet, and there may never be. A few that contribute to the commons are Deep Seek and Black Forest Labs. But they don't have the same breadth and budget as the hyperscalers.

Llama is not open source. It is at best weights available. The license explicitly limits what kind of things you are allowed to use the outputs of the models for.

Post by jacquesm » Wed, Jul 02, 2025, 3:39 AM UTC

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I'm not very informed about the coup -- but doesn't it just depend on what side most of the employees sat/sit on? I don't know how much of the coup was just egos or really an argument about philosophy that the rank and file care about. But I think this would be the argument.

There was a petition with a startlingly high percentage of employees signing it, but no telling how many of them felt pressured to to keep their job.

Post by jacquesm » Wed, Jul 02, 2025, 3:43 AM UTC

dylan604 wrote: post #144

jlebar wrote: post #113

I think that leaks like this have negative information value to the public. I work at OAI, but I'm speaking for myself here. Sam talks to the company, sometimes via slack, more often in company-wide meetings, all the time. Way more than any other CEO I have worked for. This leaked message is one part of a long, continuing conversation within the company. The vast majority of what he and others say doesn't get leaked.…

Your comment comes across dangerously close to sounding like someone that has drunk the kool-aid and defends the indefensible. Yes, you can get the wrong impression from hearing just a snippet of a conversation, but sometimes you can hear what was needed whether it was out of context or not. Sam is not a great human being to be placed on a pedestal that never needs anything he says questioned. He's just a SV CEO tryi…

Post by morepork » Wed, Jul 02, 2025, 4:31 AM UTC

Post by mu53 » Wed, Jul 02, 2025, 4:41 AM UTC

moralestapia wrote: post #230

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A continuous stream of monetizable live user data? The entire point of Meta owning everything is that it wants as much of your data stream as it can get, so it can then sell more ad products derived from that. If much of that data begins going off-Meta, because someone else has better LLMs and builds them into products, that's a huge loss to Meta.

Sorry, I don't follow. >because someone else has better LLMs and builds them into products If that were true they wouldn't be trying to create the best LLM and give it for free. (Disclaimer: I don't think Zuck is doing this out of the good of his heart, obv. but I don't see the connection with the complements and whatnot)