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Re: More on Apple's Trust-Eroding 'F1 the Movie' Wallet Ad

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Post by cjbgkagh »

JimDabell wrote: post #222
somenameforme wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple is basically a smartphone company at this point, and smartphone sales are plummeting. And I think they're plummeting for the same reason desktop sales plummeted. We went from a time where a new PC was a bit dated in 3 months and obsolete in 2 years, to modern times where a desktop from a decade ago is good for pretty much everything, even including high end gaming if you started with a high end card. The exact…

> Apple is basically a smartphone company at this point, and smartphone sales are plummeting. iPhone sales aren’t plummeting at all: https://www.statista.com/statistics/263401/global-apple-ipho... https://www.demandsage.com/iphone-user-statistics/

There seems to have been a downward trend for smartphones since 2017.

Growth is either from an expanding market or an expanding market share, since it’s not an expanding market that leaves the market share.

I would image there is some substitution, with iPhones lasting longer on average it becomes more cost effective to switch to iPhones so they capture more market share. But if the general market doesn’t expand then it’s a fairly safe assumption that the new converts are going to wait before upgrading meaning that a decrease in sales is already partially baked in.

My anecdotal datapoint is 4 iPhones in 16 years which makes them rather cheap on an annual basis.

Edit: I had assumed that parent was correct, but as the peer pointed out iPhone sales have declined

Re: More on Apple's Trust-Eroding 'F1 the Movie' Wallet Ad

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Post by wohoef »

JimDabell wrote: post #222
somenameforme wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple is basically a smartphone company at this point, and smartphone sales are plummeting. And I think they're plummeting for the same reason desktop sales plummeted. We went from a time where a new PC was a bit dated in 3 months and obsolete in 2 years, to modern times where a desktop from a decade ago is good for pretty much everything, even including high end gaming if you started with a high end card. The exact…

> Apple is basically a smartphone company at this point, and smartphone sales are plummeting. iPhone sales aren’t plummeting at all: https://www.statista.com/statistics/263401/global-apple-ipho... https://www.demandsage.com/iphone-user-statistics/

This is missing the last 7 years of data…

Re: More on Apple's Trust-Eroding 'F1 the Movie' Wallet Ad

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Post by avhception »

ryandrake wrote: post #96
avhception wrote: post #53

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While Google may or may not refrain from putting ads in their wallet app due to this incident, the aggressive ways that they use to get me to use the wallet app have been off putting enough. Every now and then, there is a full-screen popup on my phone that wants to onboard me into the wallet app. The only options I have are "yes" or "later". Clearly a company that operates on the principle of "If the user doesn't wan…

To be fair, the “Yes, Maybe Later” pattern can be seen throughout Silicon Valley. Tech companies, by and large, cannot accept “No” from users.

You're right, and I have seen this pattern elsewhere. Especially on Windows systems (I, personally, switched to Linux decades ago). So Google is definitely not alone here.

But, as already mentioned in the original article, the wallet is an especially sensitive area.

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Post by andy99 »

JimDabell wrote: post #222
somenameforme wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple is basically a smartphone company at this point, and smartphone sales are plummeting. And I think they're plummeting for the same reason desktop sales plummeted. We went from a time where a new PC was a bit dated in 3 months and obsolete in 2 years, to modern times where a desktop from a decade ago is good for pretty much everything, even including high end gaming if you started with a high end card. The exact…

> Apple is basically a smartphone company at this point, and smartphone sales are plummeting. iPhone sales aren’t plummeting at all: https://www.statista.com/statistics/263401/global-apple-ipho... https://www.demandsage.com/iphone-user-statistics/

The graph I see on that link goes only to 2018 and seems to show slight decline. What is the takeaway meant here?

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Post by mslansn »

lmm wrote: post #229
mslansn wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google Photos, which comes installed by default on all Android phones, sends notifications asking you to print an album with your photos through a partner.

That doesn't feel like a comparable violation. I've bought more than one (physical) photo album that came with a flyer in for ordering more copies.

Google Photos is the gallery app that comes with Android phones. Sometimes you will get notifications asking you to buy a printed, real life photo album with the photos that you have in your phone. That album is sold through a partner, which makes this an ad. It’s not upselling you on something you already purchased. It’s telling you to buy a photo album with the photos you took using your phone.

https://support.google.com/photos/thread/162190/how-to-turn-...

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Post by jcranmer »

JimDabell wrote: post #222
somenameforme wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple is basically a smartphone company at this point, and smartphone sales are plummeting. And I think they're plummeting for the same reason desktop sales plummeted. We went from a time where a new PC was a bit dated in 3 months and obsolete in 2 years, to modern times where a desktop from a decade ago is good for pretty much everything, even including high end gaming if you started with a high end card. The exact…

> Apple is basically a smartphone company at this point, and smartphone sales are plummeting. iPhone sales aren’t plummeting at all: https://www.statista.com/statistics/263401/global-apple-ipho... https://www.demandsage.com/iphone-user-statistics/

A graph whose data ends in 2018 isn't strong evidence for "they aren't plummeting."

That said, doing some searches for newer information (e.g., https://www.businessofapps.com/data/apple-statistics/) suggests that iPhone sales aren't plummeting but are instead rather stable. (Although I wonder how much of that is services attributed to iPhone as opposed to solely the sales revenue from iPhone, the source doesn't make that clear).

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Post by jmsdnns »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #224
bluedevilzn wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jobs created iAd. He hated bad ads. Here’s him announcing and talking about ads in WWDC: https://youtu.be/eY3BZzzLaaM?si=Dttc5eJJ1B7Zf3sB

Yeah, “Jobs hated ads” is a such a wild rewriting of the history of one of industry’s greatest marketers and, yes, ad men. (1984 commercial. Mac vs PC.)

please check my other comment. it's not a wild rewriting, just needed clarification.

Re: More on Apple's Trust-Eroding 'F1 the Movie' Wallet Ad

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Post by JimDabell »

andy99 wrote: post #235
JimDabell wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Apple is basically a smartphone company at this point, and smartphone sales are plummeting. iPhone sales aren’t plummeting at all: https://www.statista.com/statistics/263401/global-apple-ipho... https://www.demandsage.com/iphone-user-statistics/

The graph I see on that link goes only to 2018 and seems to show slight decline. What is the takeaway meant here?

Sorry, added a second source with more up to date data.
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