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Post by MarcelOlsz »

tim333 wrote: post #136
suzzer99 wrote: post #9

I've lost one of my best friends to what I think is schizophrenia. We don't know because she's cut off all contact with friends and family and refuses to see a doctor. It's definitely psychosis. She thinks she's in some kind of Truman show that she calls "the game". Since none of her friends or family are willing to admit to it, then we must be in on it. We don't know her full family medical history because her dad w…

I have more friends mucked up by LSD like drugs than any other type - at any rate three of them and I don't have much in the way of junkie of alcoholic friends. I say LSD like as they all took other stuff. From my n=3 data I'd say if you do it more than once a week for more than two years you have a good chance of ending up like your friend.

It's called "getting fried". Know many people that fried themselves doing that stuff recreationally every weekend. Good rule of thumb is if they can't hold their alcohol they won't be able to hold their psychs.

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Post by FollowingTheDao »

cjbgkagh wrote: post #214
financltravsty wrote: post #201

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I hate to write out these words, but you're strawmanning. The point is caffeine etc. corrupt the mind and cause a person's mental faculties to run in a way they were not initially designed to. The point is not that these drugs are all extremely harmful, only that they are all harmful. Caffeine and other things get a pass because the "hard drugs" are so uniquely and visibly harmful that they overshadow all other forms…

A small percentage of people, like myself, have clearly autosomal genetic conditions that means being 'normal' is just not on the cards. I have to take psychopharmacological drugs just to get close to normal. Not everyone is the same, there is a lot of variety, what you say could indeed be true for most people but can also not be true for a small minority of people.

> A small percentage of people, like myself, have clearly autosomal genetic conditions

What is the Autosomal dominant disordered gene polymorphism you have that causes your mental illness? I am assuming you are just guessing here?

> I have to take psychopharmacological drugs just to get close to normal.

I hope you can consider that you are taking drugs to manage being in an environment/diet that you are not genetically adapted to.

I used to think like you, but then I saw my genetics, now after 35 years, I am on no meds and have essentially cured my schizoaffective disorder.

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Post by throw-qqqqq »

bryanrasmussen wrote: post #212
throw-qqqqq wrote: post #176

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I have two relatives with schizophrenia. Both had onset in their mid 20s.

yeah but a sizeable part of the discussion here has been about women with menopause starting to show schizophrenic behaviors. So that might be a significant amount of the schizophrenic cases in the population.

> So that might be a significant amount of the schizophrenic cases in the population

I dont think they are. Most are diagnosed in their teens or early twenties. Women slightly later than men.

Women diagnosed in their menopause are not a majority of diagnosed schizophrenics; far from.

I understood that part as merely a curiosity.

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Post by ChainnChompp »

iamnotagenius wrote: post #162
suzzer99 wrote: post #9

I've lost one of my best friends to what I think is schizophrenia. We don't know because she's cut off all contact with friends and family and refuses to see a doctor. It's definitely psychosis. She thinks she's in some kind of Truman show that she calls "the game". Since none of her friends or family are willing to admit to it, then we must be in on it. We don't know her full family medical history because her dad w…

> She thinks she's in some kind of Truman show that she calls "the game". Might be depersonalization. I had suffered from it in my twenties; everything feels fake, although you know it is not.

Derealization, I believe - not depersonalization? Believing everything around you to be made up - perhaps even by yourself in some cases. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, just trying to make sure I have the terminology correct

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Post by prophesi »

suzzer99 wrote: post #9

I've lost one of my best friends to what I think is schizophrenia. We don't know because she's cut off all contact with friends and family and refuses to see a doctor. It's definitely psychosis. She thinks she's in some kind of Truman show that she calls "the game". Since none of her friends or family are willing to admit to it, then we must be in on it. We don't know her full family medical history because her dad w…

I believe since the 80's it's been well-established that people with a predisposition to schizophrenia have a greater risk to break out into psychosis when taking hallucinogenics. Even with today's clinical trials, they will exclude those with a family history of psychosis/schizophrenia.

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Post by mystified5016 »

euranon96 wrote: post #141
tony69 wrote: post #19

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In Europe this (some rec drugs bring out latent schizophrenia) is taught in med school as a “known fact” (source: psychiatrist friend) so it’s well beyond “starting to seem”

Do you know what is considered as "latent schizophrenia"? Is it like in your 40's or 30's or just couple years after the mean?

Schizophrenia is pretty interesting this way. It's rare for it to show up outside of a certain age range, somewhere around 20 to 35 iirc.

It's strongly correlated to genetics, and most people are totally asymptomatic, no idea they have it until one day they do.

The story of sudden-onset schizophrenia inducing a psychosis making the patient unwilling to consider treatment is depressingly common.

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Post by mystified5016 »

morkalork wrote: post #186
anthk wrote: post #104

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And at High School too on talks about drugs; the marijuana->schizophrenia link it's widely known.

Unfortunately it's hammered on so hard, and without nuance, that kids will discard it with the other half-truths that are told. And also the tendency for families to cover up and hide any "shameful" facts like uncle Jim having spent some time in a facility, that kids might not know at all that there's a family history.

DARE is one of the reasons I started smoking cigarettes. The only time the teacher was ever actually honest was when he described the effects of nicotine. Everything else was half-truths and scary lies.

Funny what kids pick up on.

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Post by hshshshshsh »

ChainnChompp wrote: post #235
iamnotagenius wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> She thinks she's in some kind of Truman show that she calls "the game". Might be depersonalization. I had suffered from it in my twenties; everything feels fake, although you know it is not.

Derealization, I believe - not depersonalization? Believing everything around you to be made up - perhaps even by yourself in some cases. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, just trying to make sure I have the terminology correct

So brain realizes it's completely making up the reality on fly?

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Post by absurdo »

suzzer99 wrote: post #9

I've lost one of my best friends to what I think is schizophrenia. We don't know because she's cut off all contact with friends and family and refuses to see a doctor. It's definitely psychosis. She thinks she's in some kind of Truman show that she calls "the game". Since none of her friends or family are willing to admit to it, then we must be in on it. We don't know her full family medical history because her dad w…

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