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Danish Ministry Replaces Windows and Microsoft Office with Linux and LibreOffice

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Re: Danish Ministry Replaces Windows and Microsoft Office with Linux and LibreOffice

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Post by msgodel »

jve wrote: post #45
mrweasel wrote: post #24

As many IT people in Denmark is pointing out, it's not really about replacing Office and Windows, it's all the surrounding infrastructure that will be the main issue. Are these Linux machines going to authenticate against the Azure Active Directory, maybe just a local Active Directory, or are the IT department going to run a separate service in parallel? Are they moving away from Exchange Server... probably not, give…

> Are these Linux machines going to authenticate against the Azure Active Directory... Are they using Intune, if so what's the replacement strategy where? This comes up all the time when we talk about Linux in corporate deployment. As I have only experience in MS word regarding governance, let me ask this: - Is there really no tools for Linux world that allows managing loads of Linux machines in an easy manner as it…

As someone who's career has involved managing large numbers of deployed Linux and BSD machines: what's wrong with scripting? It's expressive, debugable, repeatable, easy to communicate about verbally and on wikis. If you want something that's more constrained there are tools like puppet and ansible.

I guess this is another one of those "smalltalk people" vs "unix people" talking past eachother because they have shared vocabulary with different implications kind of situations.

Re: Danish Ministry Replaces Windows and Microsoft Office with Linux and LibreOffice

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Post by kube-system »

zevon wrote: post #211
kube-system wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For a large software deployment, you should be getting part of your requirements from discussions with users, but there will often be a lot of requirements from non-user stakeholders. For government deployments, even more so.

Have you ever actually worked in a large org or government IT department? :D Commendable ideas, but they do not translate to reality. Even taking the OSS discussion out of the equation: Understanding and integrating user requirements in development processes is a hard problem in general. It gets worse when we are talking about resource-constrained contexts (like government IT)

I didn’t say it wasn’t hard. Regardless it is extremely routine for multiple stakeholders groups to be involved in software purchases, at least over my 20 years of experience.

Re: Danish Ministry Replaces Windows and Microsoft Office with Linux and LibreOffice

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Post by trueismywork »

mrweasel wrote: post #24

As many IT people in Denmark is pointing out, it's not really about replacing Office and Windows, it's all the surrounding infrastructure that will be the main issue. Are these Linux machines going to authenticate against the Azure Active Directory, maybe just a local Active Directory, or are the IT department going to run a separate service in parallel? Are they moving away from Exchange Server... probably not, give…

There are so many better ways to do this right. But they don't make big news.

Re: Danish Ministry Replaces Windows and Microsoft Office with Linux and LibreOffice

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Post by emptysongglass »

eu_os wrote: post #108
mrweasel wrote: post #38

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I hope so too, but I fear that the implementation is rushed and won't yield the positive results it could have.

That's what the EU OS project is also about! https://eu-os.eu

As many, many in your issue tracker have commented, you should not be building on Fedora as a base.

Re: Danish Ministry Replaces Windows and Microsoft Office with Linux and LibreOffice

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Post by jve »

msgodel wrote: post #231
jve wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Are these Linux machines going to authenticate against the Azure Active Directory... Are they using Intune, if so what's the replacement strategy where? This comes up all the time when we talk about Linux in corporate deployment. As I have only experience in MS word regarding governance, let me ask this: - Is there really no tools for Linux world that allows managing loads of Linux machines in an easy manner as it…

As someone who's career has involved managing large numbers of deployed Linux and BSD machines: what's wrong with scripting? It's expressive, debugable, repeatable, easy to communicate about verbally and on wikis. If you want something that's more constrained there are tools like puppet and ansible. I guess this is another one of those "smalltalk people" vs "unix people" talking past eachother because they have share…

Scripting is error prone and requires more skilled admins. Not so great if one wants to deploy Linux as a Desktop OS.

Re: Danish Ministry Replaces Windows and Microsoft Office with Linux and LibreOffice

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Post by ahartmetz »

heraldgeezer wrote: post #203
mrweasel wrote: post #24

As many IT people in Denmark is pointing out, it's not really about replacing Office and Windows, it's all the surrounding infrastructure that will be the main issue. Are these Linux machines going to authenticate against the Azure Active Directory, maybe just a local Active Directory, or are the IT department going to run a separate service in parallel? Are they moving away from Exchange Server... probably not, give…

This. Didn't Denmark try this before and fail? Didn't some German town do this and went back? It's also file compatibility. But yes, the big thing is AD. AD has been out since 2000 and was/is the standard. If you have/had AD and Group policy you move to AAD and Intune for cloud. There is no competitor to this. Zero.

Munich tried this, then MS moved its German office to Munich.

Re: Danish Ministry Replaces Windows and Microsoft Office with Linux and LibreOffice

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Post by ImJamal »

TheNewsIsHere wrote: post #111
tonyedgecombe wrote: post #69

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I was watching my wife navigate Outlook the other day, I can't believe how bad it's got since I last used it. It was completely unresponsive on brand new hardware. The UI was awful.

Outlook used to be one of the best email clients available. Now it’s essentially the worst imaginable. We just renewed our 365 licenses at my company for one more year. I’ve been mentally sketching out an exit strategy. I inventoried what we use in 365 and Azure, and there’s not a single thing we can’t replace with an alternative we run or a different provider that’s a bit less hostile to third party ecosystems/stand…

Have you worked out the cost differences?

Re: Danish Ministry Replaces Windows and Microsoft Office with Linux and LibreOffice

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Post by udev4096 »

trelane wrote: post #234
udev4096 wrote: post #230

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Your opinion has nothing to do with it. Research shows it's true

Man, amazing what all "research" can do these days

Maybe try asking actual security researchers. There are plenty of them in mastodon or matrix
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