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Research suggests Big Bang may have taken place inside a black hole

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Re: Research suggests Big Bang may have taken place inside a black hole

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post #156

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Not true. The arrow of entropy has a direction and it's the same as the arrow of time. There's not a good explanation for why though.

If time were running against the arrow of entropy, nobody could perceive or measure it, right? Remembering something is per se an increase in entropy, so the universe could run in negative time direction, but we would simply forget, what had happened. That said, I personally think such thought experiments are futile and the nature of time has to be understood by its connection to causality and information.

Of course you could perceive it, measure it and record it. The entropy of your body or your brain is not necessarily increasing, nor is the entropy of your computer or other information storage systems.

Entropy only statistically tends towards an increase in closed systems and neither your computer or your brain are closed systems. They are both constantly getting energy from an external source of power and in turn dispersing previously consumed energy out into their environment.

And yet you still manage to perceive things just fine... in fact your perception of the world is unlikely to change whether or not the entropy in your brain increases or decreases by some bounded amount (of course too much of either an increase or decrease will destroy your brain).

Your claim about remembering an event, which likely alludes to Laplace's demon [1], requires an overall increase in entropy in the system as a whole, but does not require an increase in entropy in the specific part of the system that is recording the event.

Every time your computer calls a function like memset(dst, 0), or sorts a list, or arranges data into some kind of structured binary tree, your computer is decreasing its own internal entropy by taking a statistically likely arrangement of bits and transforming it into a very unlikely arrangement of bits. The decrease in the internal entropy of your computer is more than offset by an increase in global entropy but that global entropy is radiating way out into the cosmos and has no impact on your computer's ability to register information.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laplace%27s_demon

Re: Research suggests Big Bang may have taken place inside a black hole

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Not many people these days like to hear this (I myself was one of them), but the answer to this is in Genesis. There's a reason some of the most famous mathematicians, scientists, engineers, and philosophers of all time believe(d) in God. The Hebrew name of God, YHWH, literally means "He Who Is." In other words, the Self-Existent One. The father and originator of all things that were, are, and will be, who exists out…

I think they mostly "believed" because they would be ostracized and maybe even killed for not believing in God and saying as much. Many who were famous in their lifetimes would have had enemies who would have loved to destroy them via that avenue.

Re: Research suggests Big Bang may have taken place inside a black hole

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Big bang theory no longer excites me. As long as we can't explain consciousness all these theories are pointless. All theories mere appearances in consciousness including the universe and everything we experience. Consciousness has the property to render infinite universes and theories. But we have no clue how universe creates consciousness.

First define consciousness such that the definition differentiates you from a computer with a webcam.

You can measure various aspects of a computer. You can't measure consciousness.

Re: Research suggests Big Bang may have taken place inside a black hole

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> But how come Penrose’s theorems forbid out such outcomes? It’s all down to a rule called the quantum exclusion principle, which states that no two identical particles known as fermions can occupy the same quantum state (such as angular momentum, or “spin”).

> And we show that this rule prevents the particles in the collapsing matter from being squeezed indefinitely. As a result, the collapse halts and reverses. The bounce is not only possible – it’s inevitable under the right conditions.

Then how comes the neutron stars collapse into black holes despite obeying the exclusion principle?

Re: Research suggests Big Bang may have taken place inside a black hole

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post #234

> But how come Penrose’s theorems forbid out such outcomes? It’s all down to a rule called the quantum exclusion principle, which states that no two identical particles known as fermions can occupy the same quantum state (such as angular momentum, or “spin”). > And we show that this rule prevents the particles in the collapsing matter from being squeezed indefinitely. As a result, the collapse halts and reverses. The…

Is it because the black hole is a macro distortion of spacetime and not a local quantum property?

Re: Research suggests Big Bang may have taken place inside a black hole

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post #211
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There's quite a big philosophical difference between "there exists a point beyond which it is possible to make observations" and "the universe was created by an omnipotent being"

Verily, for all knowest that the gods live up in the sky, which is forever unreachable and unobservable by any man.

Yes. The man can never see consciousness. Only consciousness can see man.

Re: Research suggests Big Bang may have taken place inside a black hole

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post #230

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You cannot define consciousness. You can only experience it. In fact consciousness is the only thing you will ever experience.

Perhaps you should use 'sentience' or something more precise to mean 'qualia-experiencing'. The word 'consciousness' is quite overloaded and thus trips people up who haven't thought about this as extensively as you have. In particular many people take it to mean "self-awareness" (whether correctly or not), but it seems obvious to me that there are many sentient beings which lack self-awareness but still have an inter…

Yes. Self awareness is just another content inside consciousness.

Re: Research suggests Big Bang may have taken place inside a black hole

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I've always liked the Idea that black holes accelerate matter faster than light behind the event horizon propelling it back in time creating a singular white hole at the first moment.

There are many many reasons why this is a dumb idea and it's just as much of a paradox as any other naturalistic creation theory.

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