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Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Post by aDyslecticCrow »

adventured wrote: post #211
epolanski wrote: post #197

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Jm2c but I feel conflicted about this arms race. You can be 6/12 months later, and have not burned tens of billions compared to the best in class, I see it an engineering win. I absolutely understand those that say "yeah, but customers will only use the best", I see it, but is market share of forever money losing businesses that valuable?

A similar sentiment existed for a long time about Uber and now they're very profitable and own their market. It was worth the burn to capture the market. Who says OpenAI can't roll over to profitable at a stable scale? Conquer the market, hike the price to $29.95 (family account, no ads; $19.95 individual account with ads; etc etc). To say nothing of how they can branch out in terms of being the interaction point tha…

> It was worth the burn to capture the market.

You cannot compare Uber to the AI market. They are too different. Uber captured the market because having three taxi services is annoying. But people are readily jumping between models using multi-model platforms. And nobody is significantly ahead of the pack. There is nothing that sets anyone apart aside from the rate at which they are burning capital. Any advantage is closed within a year.

If OpenAI wants to make a profit, it will raise prices and be dropped at a heartbeat for the next cheapest option. Most software stacks are designed to be model-agnostic, making integration or support a non-factor.

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Post by baq »

bobxmax wrote: post #206
camjw wrote: post #204

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There have been 11 mass shootings in the US in the last 7 days so I don't think this disgusting competition is one you're likely to win.

Nobody is claiming the US has less mass shootings. It's just pointless whataboutism in a conversation (economic strategy) that has nothing to do with it.

Regulation was the point discussed, healthcare and gun controls are two examples where there are massive qualitative and quantitative differences in regulation between EU and USA. E.g. healthcare is a matter of national security in the EU and it's a profit center for pension funds in the USA. Gun controls I'm not too familiar with, I can only see second order effects in the US in the form of an arms race between police and citizens.

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Post by Saline9515 »

gwervc wrote: post #132
whiplash451 wrote: post #127

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> they probably work more hours in America than France Not sure that's even true. Mistral is known to be a really hard-working place

I'm pretty sure there is way less regulations in the US in respect to France where going over the legal 35h/week requires additional capital and legal paperwork.

In France most white collar jobs are categorized as "management" ("cadre"), and they have no time limit. It is very common for workers to clock 12h days in consultancies (10am-10pm) and in state administrations, for instance.

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Post by bobxmax »

baq wrote: post #232
bobxmax wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody is claiming the US has less mass shootings. It's just pointless whataboutism in a conversation (economic strategy) that has nothing to do with it.

Regulation was the point discussed, healthcare and gun controls are two examples where there are massive qualitative and quantitative differences in regulation between EU and USA. E.g. healthcare is a matter of national security in the EU and it's a profit center for pension funds in the USA. Gun controls I'm not too familiar with, I can only see second order effects in the US in the form of an arms race between poli…

No, ECONOMIC regulation was the point discussed. That has zilch to do with something like gun control.

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Post by Saline9515 »

kgwgk wrote: post #200
algoghostf wrote: post #192

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This is not true. Government workers or factory workers can limit to 35h (with some salary loss or days off loss), but else than that (especially in tech) it is very competitive and working 50 hours+/week is not exceptionl.

> 50 hours+/week is not exceptionl. https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/codes/article_lc/LEGIARTI0000... Au cours d'une même semaine, la durée maximale hebdomadaire de travail est de quarante-huit heures. https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/codes/article_lc/LEGIARTI0000... La durée hebdomadaire de travail calculée sur une période quelconque de douze semaines consécutives ne peut dépasser quarante-quatre heures, sauf dans les c…

Everyone is "forfait cadre", which allow them to work with no practical time limit since they don't log their time spent at work. https://www.service-public.fr/particuliers/vosdroits/F19261

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Post by Saline9515 »

greenavocado wrote: post #208
algoghostf wrote: post #192

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This is not true. Government workers or factory workers can limit to 35h (with some salary loss or days off loss), but else than that (especially in tech) it is very competitive and working 50 hours+/week is not exceptionl.

In the USA most software engineers are FLSA-exempt ("computer employee" exemption). No overtime pay regardless of hours worked. No legal maximum hours per day/week. No mandatory rest periods/breaks (federally). The US approach places the burden on the individual employee to negotiate protections or prove misclassification, while French law places the burden on the employer to comply with strict, state-enforced standa…

Some State services, such as the "Trésor", which oversees French economic policies, do not respect this at all, and require 12h work days most of the year. The churn is enormous, workers staying there less than a year on average.

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Post by alienbaby »

distortionfield wrote: post #186
1propionyl wrote: post #129

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Yes, specifically when it comes to open-ended research or development, collocation is non-negotiable. There are greater than linear benefits in creativity of approach, agility in adapting to new intermediate discoveries, etc that you get by putting a number of talented people who get along in the same space who form a community of practice. Remote work and flattening communication down to what digital media (Slack, Z…

You’re being downvoted but you’re right. The number of people who act like a web cam reproduces the in person experience perfectly, for good and bad, is hilarious to me.

I think the mistake people make is believing that one approach is best for all. Diffferent people work most effectively in different ways.

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Post by Saline9515 »

greenavocado wrote: post #210
psalaun wrote: post #203

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Even in government; I've worked 50+ hours weeks working for the healthcare branch of the providence state, with a classic 39h/w contract. No compensation of any sort, despite having timesheets. There are a lot of myths about French worker. Our lifelong worked hours is not exceptional; our productivity is also not exceptional.

Pointless suffering. Report violations to the CSE, Médecin du Travail, and Inspection du Travail.

Excellent way to get blacklisted and never work for the State again if you're a contractor, or end up in a low impact, boring job if you're a career worker.

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Post by marsa »

alister wrote: post #227

As a quick test of logical reasoning and basic Wikipedia-level knowledge, I asked Mistral AI the following question: A Brazilian citizen is flying from Sao Paulo to Paris, with a connection in Lisbon. Does he need to clear immigration in Lisbon or in Paris or in both cities or in neither city? Mistral AI said that "immigration control will only be cleared in Paris," which I think is wrong. After I pointed it to the W…

doing some reason.. uhh intuitioning i imagine brazil and portugal might have some sort of a visa-free deal going on in which case llama 4 might actually be right here?

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Post by stefan_ »

bobxmax wrote: post #155
hshdhdhj4444 wrote: post #89

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Part of the answer is debt. The U.S. has a debt of 35Tn. The entire EU around 16Tn. If even 10% of the debt difference was invested in tech that would have meant about $2tn more in investment in EU tech.

Because Europeans don't take smart risks. Because they over regulate. It's fascinating watching people circle back to this answer. Regulation and taxation reduces incentives. Lower incentives, means lower risk-taking. The fact this is still a lesson that needs to be debated is absurd.

Thats hardly unique to Europeans. Look at UAV regulations in the US - regulated to death based on nothing, leading to a 5 to 10 year technology gap to China, while recreational pilots crash and burn every other week.
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