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Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by anigbrowl »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #135
crmd wrote: post #4

I worry that, rather than de-escalation, one of the White House’s explicit goals here is to stage manage a Kent State-like demonstration of state force against left-wing activists that spreads to other cities. I sincerely hope I’m cynically wrong here.

And the optics of Kent State worked so well for the administration. Kind of like shooting reporters with rubber bullets.

That was a very different time, as you must be aware. We did not have anything like the same polarization or the accelerating effect of the internet coupled with all-out information warfare across a 24-7 news cycle. I could go on for 1000 words about how different society is from 60 years ago.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by lurk2 »

WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #24
crises-luff-6b wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> Here's the actual text[1], it's pretty clear. There's nothing in the text that suggests it is appropriate to preemptively deploy US military in response to protests, not even because the administration deems protestors to be enemies. Narratives in support of preemptively deploying the military against protesters are all crafted justifications, each built after the act has been decided on. What's left to for apologi…

> There's nothing in the text that suggests it is appropriate to preemptively deploy US military in response to protests, not even because the administration deems protestors to be enemies.

Would blockading federal offices not qualify under the third condition?

> (3) the President is unable with the regular forces to execute the laws of the United States;

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

Larrikin wrote: post #224

If illegal immigration is such a problem, why not fine businesses 5x salary for using the labor, for as long as it was used? There are a lot of systems in place to verify working status at this point. It eliminates any incentive to hire this cheaper labor willing to work for lower wages. The people coming will be coming for a variety of reasons but it won't be to take the jobs of the uneducated Americans

This is what Canada mostly does and it’s super effective, the problem is that the people who employ illegal immigrants: farmers, construction contractors, hotel owners, etc…belong to the same party pushing against illegal immigration, they would basically be punishing themselves, so it isn’t going to happen.

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Post by fnordpiglet »

MaxHoppersGhost wrote: post #130
bix6 wrote: post #49

This is terrifying and unconscionable. Hard to believe this is the USA today. I don’t really see this de-escalating given the ongoing rhetoric but I hope I’m wrong.

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To be fair they’re not even doing that. They’re holed up without food or beds because there was no plan while the LAPD manages the protests and riots triggered by the federal troop deployment. It’s literally designed to inflame tensions, and it’s the direct cause of everything that’s going on. I feel bad for those troops being used as a pawn in a political TV stunt.

The national guard and the marines are not trained in crowd control. They are trained in combat situations. They have no role to play here, at best they just make people angry, at worse could perpetuate a massacre.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by tomhow »

NordStreamYacht wrote: post #104
vasco wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not american but I remember marines being mobilized for hurricane Katrina in New Orleans too. Funny that if it's so bad to deploy them, why is it OK to deploy them in other countries?

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Please avoid nationalistic stereotypes like this on HN, it's not what the site is for, and destroys what it is for.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by rocqua »

plandis wrote: post #112
WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #16

Reminder that the authority under which the the US military is deployed against US citizens was intended to be used in exceptional (extreme) circumstances - ostensibly because no other options would suffice. The Insurrection Act authorizes the president to deploy military forces inside the United States to suppress rebellion or domestic violence or to enforce the law in certain situations. The statute implements Cong…

According to the military release [1]: > Approximately 700 Marines with 2nd Battalion, 7th Marines, 1st Marine Division will seamlessly integrate with the Title 10 forces under Task Force 51 who are protecting federal personnel and federal property in the greater Los Angeles area. It seems like Trump has not invoked the insurrection act but instead it’s all under a different federal law. Steve Vladeck, a Georgetown l…

What can a soldier do to protect federal property or personel that is not law enforcement? Manual labor to throw up barriers seems to be the only option. Anything else requires violence, which only law enforcement can do legally I thought. Unless perhaps they intend to 'use self defense'. But intent kinda defeats self defense.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by fnordpiglet »

vasco wrote: post #83
bix6 wrote: post #49

This is terrifying and unconscionable. Hard to believe this is the USA today. I don’t really see this de-escalating given the ongoing rhetoric but I hope I’m wrong.

I'm not american but I remember marines being mobilized for hurricane Katrina in New Orleans too. Funny that if it's so bad to deploy them, why is it OK to deploy them in other countries?

The marines were deployed in New Orleans to help in hospitals, distribute food and water, and specialists in search and rescue. That is a very different context.

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Post by Gigachad »

Larrikin wrote: post #224

If illegal immigration is such a problem, why not fine businesses 5x salary for using the labor, for as long as it was used? There are a lot of systems in place to verify working status at this point. It eliminates any incentive to hire this cheaper labor willing to work for lower wages. The people coming will be coming for a variety of reasons but it won't be to take the jobs of the uneducated Americans

Because this is more about a display of force than actually solving a problem.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by a0-prw »

Lots of very vocal yankees thought it was great when "pro-democracy" protesters in Hong Kong waved American flags and firebombed police and public buildings. That went on for about 6 months, if I recall. Karma's a bitch, America.

P.s. China never deployed the military in the Hong Kong insurrection.

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Post by kalkin »

IG_Semmelweiss wrote: post #85
hypeatei wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Here's hoping this is purely an optics play and they are only there to waste money and incite nationalism They don't deserve any benefit of the doubt at this point. Ask yourself what the MAGA reaction would've been to troops being deployed to their riot at the Capitol.

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The Homeland Security Secretary today described LA as a "city of criminals". It's hard to see how it could be anything but willful ignorance or self-delusion at this point to think that the Trump administration's intention is to protect LA residents.
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