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Re: Apple announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc

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Post by threeseed »

burntalmonds wrote: post #93
chakintosh wrote: post #46

Some 15 years ago, A friend of mine said to me "mark my words, Apple will eventually merge OSX with iOS on the iPad". And with every passing keynote since then, it seemed Apple's been inching towards that prophecy, and today, the iPad has become practically a MacBook Air with a touch screen. Unless you were a video editor, programmer who needs resources to compile or a 3D artist, I don't see how you'd need anything o…

I think practically everyone is better off with a laptop. iPad is great if you're an artist using the pencil, or just consuming media on it. Otherwise a macbook is far more powerful and ergonomic to use.

> practically everyone is better off with a laptop

The majority of the world are using their phones as a computing device.

And as someone with a MacBook and iPad the later is significantly more ergonomic.

Re: Apple announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc

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Post by mmcnl »

rnubel wrote: post #172
mmcnl wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's cool but also not as revolutionary as you make it sound. You can already install Podman, Orbstack or Colima right? Not sure which open-source framework they are using, but to me it seems like an OS-level integration of one of these tools. That's definitely a big win and will make things easier for developers, but I'm not sure if it's a gamechanger.

All those tools use a Linux VM (whether managed by Qemu or VZ) to run the actual containers, though, which comes with significant overhead. Native support for running containers -- with no need for a VM -- would be huge.

Yes, it seems like it's actually a more refined implementation than what currently exists. Call me pleasantly surprised!

Re: Apple announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc

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Post by amoshebb »

LoganDark wrote: post #118
paxys wrote: post #69

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The fact that they haven't done it in 15 years should be an indication that they don't intend to do it at all. Remember that in the same time period Apple rebuilt every Macbook from scratch from the chipset up. Neither the hardware nor software is a barrier to them merging the two platforms. It's that the ecosystems are fundamentally incompatible. A true "professional" device needs to offer the user full control, and…

If anyone wants to read up on how much effort Apple actually went through to keep Apple Silicon Macs open, take a look here: https://asahilinux.org/docs/platform/security/#per-container... Secure Boot on other platforms is all-or-nothing, but Apple recognizes that Mac users should have the freedom to choose exactly how much to peel back the security, and should never be forced to give up more than they need to. So fo…

the only macbook I’ve tried to put linux on was a t2 machine, and it still doesn’t sleep/suspend right, so I’m a bit skeptical that apple is really leading the way here, but maybe I’ve just not touched any recent windows devices either

Re: Apple announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc

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Post by tough »

paxys wrote: post #33
jzelinskie wrote: post #29

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The screenshot in TFA pretty clearly shows docker-like workflows pulling images, showing tags and digests and running what looks to be the official Docker library version of Postgres.

Every container system is "docker-like". Some (like Podman) even have a drop-in replacement for the Docker CLI. Ultimately there are always subtle differences which make swapping between Docker Podman LXC or whatever else impossible without introducing messy bugs in your workflow, so you need to pick one and stick to it.

https://opencontainers.org/

Re: Apple announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc

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Post by avtar »

wmf wrote: post #76
dedicate wrote: post #19

Okay, the AI stuff is cool, but that "Containerization framework" mention is kinda huge, right? I mean, native Linux container support on Mac could be a game-changer for my whole workflow, maybe even making Docker less of a headache.

They Sherlocked OrbStack.

I thought it's more like Colima than OrbStack

https://github.com/abiosoft/colima

Re: Apple announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc

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Post by NewJazz »

Karrot_Kream wrote: post #202
NewJazz wrote: post #160

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Or maybe a stand and separate keyboard. Better ergonomics than a laptop that way with similar portability.

Any keyboard you recommend? I'm looking around myself.

Something wireless would be nice for portability IMO, e.g. Apple or Logitech Bluetooth. Security considerations there though.

I wouldn't want a numpad. A track point would be ape.

I struggle with keyboard recommendations b/c I'm not fully satisfied lol.

Re: Apple announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc

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Post by SpaceNugget »

rnubel wrote: post #172
mmcnl wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's cool but also not as revolutionary as you make it sound. You can already install Podman, Orbstack or Colima right? Not sure which open-source framework they are using, but to me it seems like an OS-level integration of one of these tools. That's definitely a big win and will make things easier for developers, but I'm not sure if it's a gamechanger.

All those tools use a Linux VM (whether managed by Qemu or VZ) to run the actual containers, though, which comes with significant overhead. Native support for running containers -- with no need for a VM -- would be huge.

there's still a VM involved to run a Linux container on a Mac. I wouldn't expect any big performance gains here.

Re: Apple announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc

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Post by gdubs »

There's a different thread if you want to wax about Fluid Glass etc [1], but there's some really interesting new improvements here for Apple Developers in Xcode 26.

The new foundation frameworks around generative language model stuff looks very swift-y and nice for Apple developers. And it's local and on device. In the Platforms State of the Union they showed some really interesting sample apps using it to generate different itineraries in a travel app.

The other big thing is vibe-coding coming natively to Xcode through ChatGPT (and other) model integration. Some things that make this look like a nice quality-of-life improvement for Apple developers is the way that it tracks iterative changes with the model so you can rollback easily, and the way it gives context to your codebase. Seems to be a big improvement from the previous, very limited GPT integration with Xcode and the first time Apple Developers have a native version of some of the more popular vibe-coding tools.

Their 'drag a napkin sketch into Xcode and get a functional prototype' is pretty wild for someone who grew up writing [myObject retain] in Objective-C.

Are these completely ground-breaking features? I think it's more what Apple has historically done which is to not be first into a space, but to really nail the UX. At least, that's the promise – we'll have to see how these tools perform!

1: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44226612

Re: Apple announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc

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Post by focusedone »

burntalmonds wrote: post #93
chakintosh wrote: post #46

Some 15 years ago, A friend of mine said to me "mark my words, Apple will eventually merge OSX with iOS on the iPad". And with every passing keynote since then, it seemed Apple's been inching towards that prophecy, and today, the iPad has become practically a MacBook Air with a touch screen. Unless you were a video editor, programmer who needs resources to compile or a 3D artist, I don't see how you'd need anything o…

I think practically everyone is better off with a laptop. iPad is great if you're an artist using the pencil, or just consuming media on it. Otherwise a macbook is far more powerful and ergonomic to use.

I used to think that, not having used an iPad. Now I carry a work-issued iPad with 5G and it's actually pretty convenient for remote access to servers. I wouldn't want to spend a day working on it, but it's way faster than pulling out a laptop to make one tiny change on a server. It's also great for taking notes at meetings/conferences.

It's irritatingly bad at consuming media and browsing the web. No ad blocking, so every webpage is an ad-infested wasteland. There are so many ads in YouTube and streaming music. I had no idea.

It's also kindof a pain to connect to my media library. Need to figure out a better solution for that.

So, as a relatively new iPad user it's pleasantly useful for select work tasks. Not so great at doomscrolling or streaming media. Who knew?

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