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The wire that transforms much of Manhattan into one big, symbolic home (2017)

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Re: The wire that transforms much of Manhattan into one big, symbolic home (2017)

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Post by giraffe_lady »

AStonesThrow wrote: post #74
giraffe_lady wrote: post #8

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> benefits the most vulnerable people of the community. I suspect the author may have misunderstood what this is euphemistically referring to. I think the original source means women. A lot of routine elements of childcare fall within this restriction, and in conservative communities that would be the exclusive domain of women. Without the eruv women with young children would be confined to their home during this par…

> confined to their home during this part of the week You say that like it is a bad thing There is a related concept in Eastern Orthodoxy called oikonomia , or a relaxation of the laws. Roman Catholics or Episcopalians may know this as "dispensation". When the law becomes very complex and there is a concerted effort to get legalistic and eventually you end up with circumventions that are worthy of publishing news art…

I've been eastern orthodox roughly my whole life so I'm familiar with economia. But I don't think that's the correct lens to view this through. I'm not as informed about judaism but I believe most practitioners have a very different relationship to rules and the place of them in their belief.

I do think it's a bad thing to confine women to their homes though. I'm in favor of whatever theological tools individual believers and bodies of believers decide to use to break from this historical norm.

Re: The wire that transforms much of Manhattan into one big, symbolic home (2017)

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Post by Spooky23 »

foxwolf wrote: post #87

I'm pretty sure that if there is a god, then the act of deliberately subverting what you believe to be his laws by exploiting what you perceive to be a technicality for your own convenience isn't going to work out in your favor in the end.

People of faith are finding their way to practice in the context of modern society. As humans we generally try to make sense of the world, and faith is a big part of this community’s world.

Personally, I think that commitment and the thoughtfulness behind it is something to be respected.

Re: The wire that transforms much of Manhattan into one big, symbolic home (2017)

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Post by epc »

michtzik wrote: post #223
epc wrote: post #42

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I don't think that's a current map, the eruv web site shows much more of the island covered (including much of Hell's Kitchen): http://eruv.nyc/#map

Some number of years ago, I looked at the map on this page and tried to find the eruv on the west side, near 14th St and a few streets below. My conclusion was the eruv wasn't there (despite the green checkmark on the website), making this whole thing even more fun than people find it here! :)

I'm not in the city at the moment to check but they seem to take it down or shift it when there's going to be construction in an area. With the Gansevoort Pier rebuild and Little Island it wouldn't surprise me if they shifted where the wire crossed West St further South to avoid the construction.

Re: The wire that transforms much of Manhattan into one big, symbolic home (2017)

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Post by giraffe_lady »

egypturnash wrote: post #208
AStonesThrow wrote: post #165

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What are all those [brackets] and (((parenthesis))) in your posts supposed to mean? Do you need a refresher on HN’s half-assed version of Markdown ( https://news.ycombinator.com/formatdoc ) or something?

It's an anti-semitic dog whistle. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_parentheses

This poster is a fan of, or maybe actually is himself, the neonazi cartoonist StoneToss; the username is an allusion to the artist. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StoneToss

Re: The wire that transforms much of Manhattan into one big, symbolic home (2017)

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Post by graemep »

aleph_minus_one wrote: post #169
graemep wrote: post #160

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> Judaism isn't Christianity any more than Islam is All three share common beliefs and values. Christians and Jews worship the same God. Islam IS closely related to Judaism and Christianity and the Quran explicitly states Muslims worship the same God. > Trying to apply Christian norms to Jewish practices usually ends up in a pogrom when Christians realize that Judaism isn't Christianity. BS. Thinking about where we a…

> Islam IS closely related to Judaism and Christianity and the Quran explicitly states Muslims worship the same God. This is like saying that Windows and GNU/Linux are closely related because they both run on PCs, and were both (Windows originally) written in C (thus worship the same "foundations"). :-) > Christians use Jewish scriptures and prayers and symbolism. Quite some applications have become ported from Windo…

> This is like saying that Windows and GNU/Linux are closely related because they both run on PCs, and were both (Windows originally) written in C

A better analogy would be its like saying BSD and MacOS (the current version) are closely related because they share lots of common code.

You should read what the Quran says about Jesus or Mary or the Jewish prophets. Seriously, read what the Quran and the New Testament (and church documents like the Catholic Catechism) have to say about this.

I think the best analogies of the relationships between the religions is:

1. Christianity (claims) to be an updated and enhanced fork of Judaism

2. Islam (claims) to be a bug fixed fork of Judaism with some code from Christianity merged in.

> Quite some applications have become ported from Windows to GNU/Linux or vice versa.

We are not talking about optional bits, we are talking about things of fundamental importance.

Re: The wire that transforms much of Manhattan into one big, symbolic home (2017)

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Post by AStonesThrow »

giraffe_lady wrote: post #231
AStonesThrow wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> confined to their home during this part of the week You say that like it is a bad thing There is a related concept in Eastern Orthodoxy called oikonomia , or a relaxation of the laws. Roman Catholics or Episcopalians may know this as "dispensation". When the law becomes very complex and there is a concerted effort to get legalistic and eventually you end up with circumventions that are worthy of publishing news art…

I've been eastern orthodox roughly my whole life so I'm familiar with economia. But I don't think that's the correct lens to view this through. I'm not as informed about judaism but I believe most practitioners have a very different relationship to rules and the place of them in their belief. I do think it's a bad thing to confine women to their homes though. I'm in favor of whatever theological tools individual beli…

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Re: The wire that transforms much of Manhattan into one big, symbolic home (2017)

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Post by lo_zamoyski »

Y_Y wrote: post #213
lo_zamoyski wrote: post #202

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The latter wouldn’t be valid, as baptism also involves an intentional act. Merely touching holy water doesn’t baptize you. In fact, you don’t even need holy water for baptism, strictly speaking. Any Christian can validly baptize any non-Christian by merely pouring any water over someone’s head and stating that they baptize this person in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. (Whether it is a licit bap…

So I could adversarially baptise people with a water cannon like they use for riots? What about cloud-seeding?

Adversarially? That doesn't sound especially compatible with the sacrament. Sacraments are generally freely received.

In any case, you can't baptize an adult against his will. In extreme situations, when a person is in, say, a coma, there can be a presumption of consent, but as I understand it, if the person in question was totally hardened against the very possibility of baptism, then the presumption would prove false and no baptism would have occurred.

Re: The wire that transforms much of Manhattan into one big, symbolic home (2017)

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Post by [deleted] »

giraffe_lady wrote: post #234
egypturnash wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are all those [brackets] and (((parenthesis))) in your posts supposed to mean? Do you need a refresher on HN’s half-assed version of Markdown ( https://news.ycombinator.com/formatdoc ) or something?

It's an anti-semitic dog whistle. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_parentheses This poster is a fan of, or maybe actually is himself, the neonazi cartoonist StoneToss; the username is an allusion to the artist. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StoneToss

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Re: The wire that transforms much of Manhattan into one big, symbolic home (2017)

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Post by giraffe_lady »

AStonesThrow wrote: post #236
giraffe_lady wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been eastern orthodox roughly my whole life so I'm familiar with economia. But I don't think that's the correct lens to view this through. I'm not as informed about judaism but I believe most practitioners have a very different relationship to rules and the place of them in their belief. I do think it's a bad thing to confine women to their homes though. I'm in favor of whatever theological tools individual beli…

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This is a conversation to have with your confessor not with strangers in public. Or maybe you should draw a comic about it?

addition for people coming later: this was a response to an antisemitic screed that the other user has since removed through editing.

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