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Re: Amazon Glacier

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CrashPlan shows your encryption key in plain text. Doesn't that worry you?

You'd prefer that they lie to you and pretend it's not stored in the clear? If you don't have to type it in every time a backup runs, it's in the clear - everything else is just window dressing.

Standard practice is IMHO to use the user or system keychain.

Re: Amazon Glacier

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CrashPlan shows your encryption key in plain text. Doesn't that worry you?

CrashPlan defaults to using the account password as the encryption password. However, you can also secure the encryption with a password not associated with the account. Or even provide your own 448-bit key. If you do either of these options, CrashPlan support will not be able to help you This setup allows CrashPlan to easily help non-technical home users, while allowing technically savvy users to securely hang thems…

My question is not about the setup, that's OK. I am wondering why CrashPlan shows the encryption key in the clear and does not store it in the user or system keychain.

Re: Amazon Glacier

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Since this is built on top of S3, I'd love to be able to store EBS Snapshots in this.

And then wait 4+ hours to restore them?

That'd make a ton of sense for forensic and compliance needs: lots of storage, limited access in special situations where a little delay is reasonable.

Re: Amazon Glacier

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

CrashPlan defaults to using the account password as the encryption password. However, you can also secure the encryption with a password not associated with the account. Or even provide your own 448-bit key. If you do either of these options, CrashPlan support will not be able to help you This setup allows CrashPlan to easily help non-technical home users, while allowing technically savvy users to securely hang thems…

My question is not about the setup, that's OK. I am wondering why CrashPlan shows the encryption key in the clear and does not store it in the user or system keychain.

I see what you mean. I have up voted your original comment.

Re: Amazon Glacier

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'd prefer that they lie to you and pretend it's not stored in the clear? If you don't have to type it in every time a backup runs, it's in the clear - everything else is just window dressing.

Standard practice is IMHO to use the user or system keychain.

Right, which is a largely meaningless distinction: if the process runs as you, any successful attacker can simply read it out of the CrashPlan process in memory.

Again, if you're not typing the password in every time, a local compromise is almost certainly game-over. Apple's keychain helps reduce the damage if the data's not actively used but for something like CrashPlan which is always running the attacker is probably going to be lucky.

Re: Amazon Glacier

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post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

CrashPlan defaults to using the account password as the encryption password. However, you can also secure the encryption with a password not associated with the account. Or even provide your own 448-bit key. If you do either of these options, CrashPlan support will not be able to help you This setup allows CrashPlan to easily help non-technical home users, while allowing technically savvy users to securely hang thems…

My question is not about the setup, that's OK. I am wondering why CrashPlan shows the encryption key in the clear and does not store it in the user or system keychain.

I'm assuming this because their desktop client is a java app and it it's been made to run on linux, mac and Windows. Is there such a thing as a keychain on Windows? I've only used it on linux and mac.

Re: Amazon Glacier

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Standard practice is IMHO to use the user or system keychain.

Right, which is a largely meaningless distinction: if the process runs as you, any successful attacker can simply read it out of the CrashPlan process in memory. Again, if you're not typing the password in every time, a local compromise is almost certainly game-over. Apple's keychain helps reduce the damage if the data's not actively used but for something like CrashPlan which is always running the attacker is probab…

I agree that showing the encryption key in the clear is not a serious security flaw but it's IMHO against best practice.

Passwords and key are usually shown in an obscured form, usually with asterisks, and stored in the user or system keychain. You are absolutely right that the security value of these standard practices should not be overvalued but still … what else within the security framework of CrashPlan is not done in accordance with best practice?

(I assume, BTW, that CrashPlan does not use the system or user keychain on the Mac because it is not a real Mac citizen but a Java-based app. Firefox and Wuala – the latter Java-based too – don't use the user or system keychain either.)

Re: Amazon Glacier

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I'm a long time user of backblaze, and I'm a big fan of the product - it does a great job of always making sure my working documents are backed up, particularly when I'm traveling overseas, and my laptop is more vulnerable to theft or damage. With that said - Backblaze is optimized for working documents - and the default "exclusion" list makes it clear they don't want to be backing up your "wab~,vmc,vhd,vo1,vo2,vsv,v…

Home-use is probably the only situation Glacier is good for backup though. A home user is fine with a 3.5-4 hour window before their backup becomes available for download (as it will probably take them days to download it anyway). In a corporate environment, I don't want to wait around for 3.5-4 hours before my data even becomes available for restore in a disaster recovery situation. Seems good for archive-only in a…

"In a corporate environment, I don't want to wait around for 3.5-4 hours before my data even becomes available for restore in a disaster recovery situation."

I am guessing you work in a company with a good IT department then, I am guessing this is not the average. Many companies I have worked for 4 hours would be a miracle with a 1-3 day operation minimum.

And don't forget that the X00MB type size limits many IT departments puts everywhere it not because getting a TB hard drive is cheap, but because all of the extra backups add to the cost of each new MB. Having another extremely cheap way they could backup large amounts of data (encrypted?) would help to reduce the cost of each extra GB.

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