Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives

Post by drw85 » Tue, May 27, 2025, 6:01 AM UTC

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> Is that really happening at any meaningful scale? Anecdotally: oh yes. I don’t know anybody who pays, although that may say more about the populations I work with and hang out with. I hear there’s plenty of headroom for the direct economics to work, if you’re reselling for less than the ~EUR100/month range the commercial providers charge [1]. Gross median income in Spain is on the order of EUR27000 annually, for re…

That price point is insane. How could it ever rise to such a level that it prices out almost the entire audience of potentially casual subscribers?

Post by majke » Tue, May 27, 2025, 6:33 AM UTC

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DDoS is distributed denial of service. It isn't coming from one server. It's now trivial to buy 100 Gbps or more of DDoS so sites would need 400G or more to simply eat it.

If you have a single server flooding spoofed traffic, it appears as a DDoS to the victim. It's at this point that the distinction between DoS/DDoS breaks down slightly. It is very much not "trivial" to buy 100Gbps+ of DDoS. I'm highly confident the majority of D/DoS attacks are from single servers, because it works. If you have a 10Gbit server and your target has 1Gbit (or you 1Gbit and them 100Mbit, it still happens…

Post by ithkuil » Tue, May 27, 2025, 6:50 AM UTC

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I was unaware of this controversy so in brief: 1. La Liga (Spanish Football) finds pirates streaming their games objectionable 2. They notice that many of these streamers use Cloudflare for something, presumably CDN and load balancing. 3. They appear in court in Spain and get an ex-parte TRO blocking all Cloudflare IPs. (Ex parte TRO: restraining order granted without Cloudflare being summoned to court) 4. Based on t…

> Cloudflare goes public in frustration, noting that they could just send take down requests for infringing content like every other rights holder in the world, Live sports piracy has the unusual property that you have to be able to get the block in place within the ~90 minutes of a football match, even at weekends and across time zones. Otherwise there’s no point. If the courts let Cloudflare slow roll this, at the…

Post by DoctorOW » Tue, May 27, 2025, 6:50 AM UTC

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(in)famously they refused to do that until ordered to by law enforcement.

Err, no. At least not according to Cloudflare: https://blog.cloudflare.com/why-we-terminated-daily-stormer/ TL;DR: "The tipping point for us making this decision [to discontinue service] was that the team behind Daily Stormer made the claim that we were secretly supporters of their ideology."

Post by ithkuil » Tue, May 27, 2025, 6:55 AM UTC

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It's designed for this purpose. Rome was organizing those games to thrill the romans, it worked splendid. When political concerns gets on the rise, you pump the show. It works better than your typical propaganda as players become heroes, managers and clubs make great money. Distributors get their cut. The machine is well oiled with solid monetary incentives. Football (and other sports watching): cheap but deep rooted…

Look at it the other way -- absent sports fanaticism, people with these personality traits would be involved in politics. I'd categorically say that focusing that sort of person on sports is by far the lesser of the two evils. Democracy only chooses as wisely as the average intelligence of its voters.