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German court sends VW execs to prison over Dieselgate scandal

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Re: German court sends VW execs to prison over Dieselgate scandal

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The question is, whether VW as a German company is now going to end up being beaten by US competitors which could do even more nasty stuff unpunished.

It has been some years since VW had to give up cheating on emission tests. Were they beaten by US competitors during this time? I have not read any news about it.

Yes, VW has since then had mass layoffs and closed plants: https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/volksw...

Re: German court sends VW execs to prison over Dieselgate scandal

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Real theft by employees is also extremely common. Especially in retail and food service.

> retail and food service. Two industries that typically pay significantly less than a living wage and which have a reputation for treating their employees like absolute dirt. Would you respect your employer if they didn’t respect you?

My sister was a waitress at Red Lobster in somewhat of a tourism city and made absolute bank. She still stole stuff like cutlery, salt shakers, etc. Let’s not pretend that most people that are stealing are Robin Hood types.

Re: German court sends VW execs to prison over Dieselgate scandal

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post #28

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The question is, whether VW as a German company is now going to end up being beaten by US competitors which could do even more nasty stuff unpunished.

We should let our executives commit crimes lest they be outcompeted by other executives committing worse crimes is a terrible argument. It's more a argument for not letting the other company compete as easily in your country

If our companies get destroyed, people fired and US/Chinese crooks win while EU spirals into recession, moral high ground is going to be a poor comfort.

Re: German court sends VW execs to prison over Dieselgate scandal

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FINALLY! It's the least they could do for the reputation of German engineering. [ if (CAUGHT): toss an MBA on the barbie ]

#irony You mean it wasn’t the doing of the Southern European engineers at Volkswagen? #irony

Re: German court sends VW execs to prison over Dieselgate scandal

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post #182

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The same in Spanish. Steal a hen, get a harsh sentence. Steal millions, you are now a respectable 'businessman'.

Kill a man you're a murderer. Kill millions and you're a statesman.

Pretty sure that’s known as The Blair Doctrine.

Re: German court sends VW execs to prison over Dieselgate scandal

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It's the other way around, he was US-based and went for a vacation to Germany.

He used to work in the US, but at the time of the US prosecution and his arrest he was back in Wolfsburg, and the vacation was in Florida. The English Wikipedia article isn‘t terribly clear about that.

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Re: German court sends VW execs to prison over Dieselgate scandal

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> They jailed 1 banker lol You've been incorrectly informed. As reported back in 2018[0], 36 individuals had already received a cumulative jail sentence of 96 years, with still more cases ongoing when this report was written. [0]: https://www.visir.is/g/20181632401d/36-manns-i-samtals-96-ar...

Thanks for the correction. I incorrectly recalled from that documentary "Inside Job"

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Re: German court sends VW execs to prison over Dieselgate scandal

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Everything you purchase over the course of a day was transported by a diesel truck at some point.

It wasn’t transported with the neighbor’s truck down the street that has a “defeat device”.

Parent was talking about commercial diesel trucks which do not comply with the same regulations as passenger vehicles, and the article talks about stock non-compliance. Why are you changing the subject?

Re: German court sends VW execs to prison over Dieselgate scandal

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Usually it happens only if you steal from investors. Stealing from consumers is fine.

We’re in the midst of watching Apple get away with criminal contempt for forcing consumers to be as ignorant as possible of their IAP fees - including forcing Patreon to exclusively use them while under court order to allow them to link to their own payments!

The american corporations were always "special".

Re: German court sends VW execs to prison over Dieselgate scandal

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I always thought there was a tremendous irony in Germany’s far left heavily protesting Tesla for Elon’s speech while their own corporate giant committed widespread emissions fraud for years

Elon campaigned for the German far right party which basically everyone including Germans conservative party regards as fascist. It's not a far left thing to oppose that
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