Google has partnered with Darren Aronofsky’s AI-Driven Studio Primordial Soup. I still don't understand why SAG-AFTRA's strike to ban AI from Hollywood studios didn't affect this new studio. Does anyone know?
Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow
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Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow
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Check out all the creatives on /r/screenwriting, half the time they are trying to figure out how to "make connections" just to get a story considered. It's a fucking nightmare out there. Whatever god is providing us with AI is the greatest gift I could imagine to a creative.
AI could be useful if used like any other tool, but not as an all in box where everything is done for you minus the prompt. Im actually worried people will become lazy
Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow
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The winning image entry for "The Yarrctic Circle" by OpenAI 4o doesn't actually wields a cutlass. It's very aesthetically pleasing, even though it's so wrong in all fundamental aspects (perspective is nonsensical and anatomy is messed up, with one leg 150% longer than the other, ...). It's a very interesting resource to map some of the limits of existing models.
Google Flow is remarkable as video editing UX, but Imagen 4 doesn't really stand out amongst its image gen peers. I want to interrupt all of this hype over Imagen 4 to talk about the totally slept on Tencent Hunyuan Image 2.0 that stealthily launched last Friday. It's absolutely remarkable and features: - millisecond generation times - real time image-to-image drawing capabilities - visual instructivity (eg. you can…
In this AI rat race, whenever one model gets ahead, they all tend to reach parity within 3-6 months. If you can wait 6 months to create your video I'm sure Imagen 5 will be more than good enough.
It's honestly kind of ridiculous the pace things are moving at these days. 10 years ago waiting a year for something was very normal, nowadays people are judging the model-of-the-week against last week's model-of-the-week but last week's org will probably not sleep and they'll release another one next week.
Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow
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Your meticulous prompt is using the work of thousands of experts, and generating a mashup of what they did/their work/their commitment/their livelihood. Their placement of books. Their aesthetic. The collection of cool things to put into a scene to make it interesting. The lighting. Not yours. Not from you/not from the AI. None of it is yours/you/new/from the AI. It's ALL based underneath on someone else's work, some…
And that's exactly how your brain work. What you call "creativity" is nothing more than exactly that: mixing ideas and thoughts you were exposed to. We're all building on others' work. The only difference is that computers do it on a much larger scale. But it's the very same process.
If I see a painting, I see an interpretation that makes me think through someone else's interpretation.
If I see a photograph, I don't analyze as much, but I see a time and place. What is the photographer trying to get me to see?
If I see AI, I see a machine dithered averaging that is/means/represents/construes nothing but a computer predicted average. I might as well generate a UUID, I would get more novelty. No backstory, because items in the scene just happened to be averaged in. No style, just a machine dithered blend. It represents nothing no matter the prompt you use because the majority is still just machine averaged/dithered non-meaning. Not placed with intention, focused with real vision, no obvious exclusions with intention. Just exactly what software thinks is the most average for the scene it had described to it. The better AI gets, the more average it becomes, and the less people will care about 'perfectly average' images.
It won't even work for ads for long. Ads will become wild/novel/distinct/wacky/violations of AI rules/processes/techniques to escape and belittle AI. To mock AI. Technically perfect images will soon be considered worthless AI trash. If for no other reason than artists will only be rewarded for moving in directions AI can't going forward. The second Google/OpenAI reach their goal, the goal posts will move because no one wants procedural/perfectly average slop.
Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow
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No amigo, no artist out there made a japanese song on my anime obsessed schoolteacher friend and his life. When he received that song from me, he was super excited for next 3-5 days and still listens to it and flexes them to their friends. Same thing happened with a lot of my other friends and me too, I have an apple shortcut script that generates songs for me daily based on my routine for that day pulled from todois…
> when pooled at scale between all users allows people to make their own song generators with GPUs. I can assure you, local generation is to become a fringe activity, same as self-hosting web services, only worse, because the quality gap (which in case of software is often negligible) will be insurmountable. > I’d love to hear how you think the big 3 corps (Universal, Sony, etc) who own all the music almost globally…
I made 5 songs about 5 different people in a week, with carefully crafted lyrics and tones described by me in the custom prompt, that led to 10 mp3 files of songs (suno generates 2 songs per prompt) Those songs are out there, it’s different, it’s not sloppy it’s actually quite enjoyable.
Now there is more diversity and abundance those songs wouldn’t have existed without AI and there are millions doing it like me out there, those artists who produce songs also have same tools as me, they can be better than me, faster, better, more albums now made by them, edit stuff to perfection, ideate and iterate faster. Who is stopping them ?
Tell me this song is trash and slop : https://suno.com/song/c36741d6-ec62-4922-86f9-6fd0b6f37497
This is in replacement of me and my friends listening to their same 20-40 artists who would be in billboards list each month.
Tell me it has hurt the abundance and diversity of songs out there, that it stopped someone from making their own thing or others listening to their songs, I listen to that song, it’s made by someone else with AI, I don’t mind, it’s awesome !
Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow
#236After doing some testing, Imagen 4 doesn't score any higher than Imagen 3 on my comparison chart, approximately ~60% prompt adherence accuracy. https://genai-showdown.specr.net
The winning image entry for "The Yarrctic Circle" by OpenAI 4o doesn't actually wields a cutlass. It's very aesthetically pleasing, even though it's so wrong in all fundamental aspects (perspective is nonsensical and anatomy is messed up, with one leg 150% longer than the other, ...). It's a very interesting resource to map some of the limits of existing models.
I don’t know which is more important, but I would say that people mostly won’t pay for fun but disposable images, and I think people will pay for art but there will be an increased emphasis on the human artist. However users might pay for reliable tools that can generate images for a purpose, things like educational illustrations, and those need to be able to follow the spec very well.
Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow
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That's step one, and you are right. Step two is... sure, every pleb can now create art. That devalues art. More than that, that makes for a "winner takes all" marketplace. So even fewer people than now benefit from it. More than that, guess who wins out: middlemen, the marketplace owners. Read the Black Swan by Nassim Taleb, especially the chapters about Extremistan and Mediocristan. Basically every time we invent so…
Tell that to the kings in medieval times who were the only ones who could afford music from finest crafts men and silk shirts This allowed people in those crafts to be very rich. Then came the evil leeches of middle men who brought cheap fine clothes for the masses and music in the hands of every broke college kid in his dorm room. So evil ! Get the sarcasm ? Calling ability for masses to do more things is somehow ho…
What are they doing other than consuming with extra bells and whistles tacked on to it? I'm sorry, but it's not art.
Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow
#238An indie film with poor production values, even bad acting can grip you, make you laugh and make you cry. The consistency of quality is key - even if it is poor. The directing is the red thread throughout the scenes. Anything with different quality levels interrupts your flow and breaks your experience. The problem with AI video content at this stage is that the clips are very good 'in themselves', just as LLM result…
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The amount of gatekeeping I see when this topic is brought is outstanding! Why can't people be happy that more individuals would be soon able to create freely in a more accessible way? Personally I can't wait to see the new creative doors ai will open for us!
How is the requirement to use a computer and maybe pay a cloud subscription in the long term more accessible than other kinds of art? Which individuals are gatekept exactly? Before you bring up disabled people (as often happens when the term accessibility is used), know that many of them are not happy to be used as a shield for this without ever being asked and would rather speak for themselves. I've tried AI image g…
https://www.youtube.com/@NeuralViz
It would have cost millions. Now one person can do it with a laptop and a few hundred dollars of credits a month.
AI is 100% making filmmaking more accessible to creative people who otherwise would never have access to the kind of funding and networks required to realise their visions.
Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow
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Look at view counts for short form videos that are 100% AI generated. The good "creators" are already making bank, helped by app algorithms matching people up to content they'll find addictive to view. The content doesn't have to be good it just has to be addictive for 80% of the population.
You're describing the difference between The Godfather and Skibidi Toilet.
Whatever gets the views.