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Also, NCSA was started with NSF funds and the put out the first web browse. And now the guy behind that is supporting Trump. Really pulling up the ladder.
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You think the center is diet-Republican ? And the way to get more votes is to be more extreme ? There's the problem, right there.
> And the way to get more votes is to be more extreme ? You're doing an awful lot of stuff along the lines of "so you're saying BAD is actually good?" in this thread (not just with me), and it's not really a good way to have a discussion. It's good for arguing over, essentially, nothing.
I am questioning your assertion that moving from the center is the way to win votes, and asking a question that highlights how ridiculous it is.
That is a perfectly normal way to discuss something.
Going meta is not.
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I'm an American. I struggle almost every day with what feels like a betrayal of our republic by so many voters and leaders, and none of the explanations for why it has happened, even when taken together, are wholly satisfying. It has shaken my faith in democracy, but at the same time, there's nothing else, so I have no choice but to try to fight for it in what ways I can.
Roger that!
I tell everyone the system can handle it. But Schmidt on yt isn’t wrong.
Excellent username
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So if it crashes, then it's Tesla's fault and they pay? Or do you pay?
Pretty sure what that commenter claims to be doing is illegal. At least in my state.
And, he would be liable if that's what you're asking. Tesla, at no time, claimed that their vehicles should be used in that fashion.
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#235The NSF budget is ~$10billion. That's about half of NASA's, 1.2% of the DoD's, 0.5% of the discretionary budget ($1.7 trillion). Why is this the focus of the admin? Science is one of the few things the US is doing well.
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They're pushing a 55% budget cut. There is absolutely no universe in which you can justify that with rhetoric around "DEI" science. This is going to cut very, very deep into basic STEM / biomedical research.
They're cancelling mRNA research, they're flagging research that uses words like "trauma" or studies how medications impact men and women differently. There's no sensible agenda behind all of this, it's just backlash and destruction done haphazardly. This is no different from the Department of Defense deleting the Tuskegee Airmen from the website because "DEI", except far far more consequential.
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You’ve offered no evidence of “DEI in maths” or any of your other confidently unsubstantiated arguments. You’re just parroting talking points. Unserious takes deserve unserious responses.
> You’ve offered no evidence of “DEI in maths” Compelling or not, they offered some. Now it's on you to move the goalpost or concede the challenge which you issued .
Quiet here, isn't it ?
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If you're going with the great conspiracy of GOP as Russian assets, you should also add Elon Musk and the other tech robber barons as Russian assets as well.
Some witting, some not. I am not convinced all of DOGE are actual Russian assets. That would be too conspiratorial. But that they’re all compromised? That’s much more likely. We know for a fact that at least a couple are pwned.
In a lot of cases it's just simple conflict of interests.
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#238We absolutely cannot let science be hit by 50% budget cuts at NSF and NIH. It would be absolutely devastating to our standing in the world. Scientists will ABSOLUTELY leave to Europe and Canada to continue our research. I know that I would.
Concretely: at a European university, we are hearing from American researchers who would have been above our ability to attract previously, and who are directly telling us that they're interested in applying for positions because they have been directly affected by these funding cuts and antics.
This could end up being an opportunity like the one the US had in the 1930s and 40s for any country able to take advantage of it. Whether Europe or China will benefit more remains to be seen. I have been reminding people that, before the 1930s, Germany had the best university system and research in the world. And it's particularly sad, because in my personal experience, culturally, and organizationally, American research universities and research culture have traditionally been much better and much more conducive to good research and real collaboration, then Europe or China.
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> Unfortunately a majority of American voters saw what happened in the first Trump term and decided that they wanted more of it, with even fewer controls and restrictions. I'm not sure this accurately conveys the situation. American voters have been dissatisfied with the lesser of two evils choice foisted upon them every 4 years for decades. We're 75 years into endless wars. Massive numbers of union high paying jobs…
That's what a lot of it was. In 2016, the establishment was offering us a choice between another Bush and another Clinton, with Cruz being set up as the Buchanan, the conservative who would be allowed to win a state or two before gracefully stepping aside for the real nominee. So voters said screw this, we'll take a shot on the guy who might be crazy, rather than just another one of the same gang. Surprisingly to man…
I've spent most of my life voting green. I don't see myself as closely affiliated with either dems or republicans. I find that there are policies each of them engage in that I agree and disagree with. I really appreciate substantive discussion of policy. Which there seems to be less and less of every year, and more and more each side seems to be arguing and fighting against their own boogey-man version of the other side. Skewed, stretched, and exaggerated to extremes in a meme-laden propaganda war against each other.
I find that this does little to help either side understand the (often legitimate!) concerns of the other. It seems like there is an inexorable wedge being driven between both sides, by both sides. I'm not sure how we address that. And I'm not sure how to reconcile the factors which drive each side without addressing it.