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Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by signatoremo »

otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #191
nikkwong wrote: post #189

The mood here is as notoriously cynical as I would expect from HN. Yeah, let's all brush this tech off as unoriginal, uninspiring and bland. Let's all tell ourselves that music requires that 'special human touch' or audiences will become bored, unimpressed and uninterested. But I'll bet you anything, the average ear won't care. This music is already as good as what's produceable by humans, and will be available for a…

> Yeah, let's all brush this tech off as unoriginal, uninspiring and bland. The tech is great, it's the music it produces that's unoriginal, uninspiring and bland. > Be ready to see it popping up everywhere—in cafes, restaurants, on TV ads, on your next spotify playlist. So music will become even shittier going forward? Yay tech! Thanks for automating away the act of music listening! Seriously though, now that music-…

I'm sitting in a coffee shop reading this, and notice the music being played. It's pleasant enough that makes it a relaxing experience, but it evokes no emotion, which I don't mind because I'm on HN. I don't know who the composer or the artist is, and I won't be able to recall if I hear it again. How is that different than AI generated music?

Human made music will continue to exist, but for me, just for me, a lot of it doesn't do anything at all and I wouldn't be able to tell if it's by human, let alone knowing the story behind them or the emotional connection the author had when making that piece of music. I'm sure many people who have better ear will be able to differentiate, but many others will not. You may say it's depressing, I call it reality.

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by amenhotep »

nikkwong wrote: post #223
juliag2 wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I tried AI music for the first time today and I can definitely see why people say it feels bland, because it does. But most of what's on the radio today feels bland to me too. You're right - I don't really care if the track playing in my favourite cafe is AI-generated or not. You're not supposed to be emotionally invested into background music, it's music for a simple purpose and for most people, AI can fill that pur…

Honestly, AI-created music in physical spaces has the potential to be even better than what currently exists. Imagine in real time being able to create a soundtrack that matches the mood and vibe of the current atmosphere. When the crowd is bustling, have the audio match that; tone it down when the night wears on, the people have disbursed. Sometimes you go into a Starbucks late at night in Tokyo and they're blasting…

Why would you need to generate the music to get that? Just have an AI DJ.

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by nwienert »

hndamien wrote: post #127
TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #38

One of Suno's biggest weakness is their lyrics generation, and that you can't generate lyrics without also generating a song. I think it's better to use a different LLM to generate and iterate on lyrics, which you can then pass to Suno in order to generate a final song. If anyone here has a subscription and they can spare the tokens, I think it would be fun if someone shared a song about Hacker News. I'm hoping that…

This song was produced a long time ago from a verbatim hacker news comment, and got released on Spotify and Apple and became a favorite at home. Your comment inspired me to upgrade it to 4.5 because it did have that AI tinny quality. https://suno.com/s/tbZlkBL7XeLVuuN0 It sounds better but has lost some magic. Here is the original comment - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39997706 In that spirit, from the same “…

Fascinating. I find that song to be unlistenable and something about the thought of anyone enjoying it seems really wrong.

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by qmmmur »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #91

The real potential of tools like Suno isn’t in cranking out radio-ready hits. It’s in creating music that doesn't have commercial incentives to exist. Case in point: Functional Music. I started using it to generate songs that reinforce emotional regulation strategies -things like grounding, breathwork, staying present. Not instructional tracks, which would be unbearable, but actual songs with lyrics that reflect actu…

This and other subsequent tales have to be some of the most soulless and depressing misuses of other people’s collective IP. Utterly disparaging to see it applauded.

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by square_usual »

te_chris wrote: post #230
nikkwong wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, AI-created music in physical spaces has the potential to be even better than what currently exists. Imagine in real time being able to create a soundtrack that matches the mood and vibe of the current atmosphere. When the crowd is bustling, have the audio match that; tone it down when the night wears on, the people have disbursed. Sometimes you go into a Starbucks late at night in Tokyo and they're blasting…

Sounds awful. Truly. Living your whole life in the median. Led Zepplin late at night is exactly what I want to hear in a Starbucks in Tokyo becuse it's surpising, exciting. Get out more.

This has been downvoted but I'll heartily second these. Some of my best cafe experiences have been places where the people running it had taste. That meant making good coffee, decorating it well, and of course, playing great music. I've found so many great songs from good cafes. The average yuppie-aesthetic cafe with generic wall art and spotify trending playing is no fun.

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by marci »

Velorivox wrote: post #125
bongodongobob wrote: post #100

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Any musician will tell you most music isn't original. You just don't have the ear for it. You telling me Green Day's songs are all unique and original? Even jazz uses 6-2-5-1's over and over. Unless you only listen to avante garde prog rock or something, all of music is derivative. And that's ok. Every song being a unique snowflake isn't important. If you like it or it makes you feel something, that's all that matter…

All books are derivative too, the English ones use the same 26 characters over and over.

The 26 characters with a thousand @font-faces.

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by OJFord »

insin wrote: post #195
nikkwong wrote: post #189

The mood here is as notoriously cynical as I would expect from HN. Yeah, let's all brush this tech off as unoriginal, uninspiring and bland. Let's all tell ourselves that music requires that 'special human touch' or audiences will become bored, unimpressed and uninterested. But I'll bet you anything, the average ear won't care. This music is already as good as what's produceable by humans, and will be available for a…

> but also game & movie soundtracks ... tv shows I can't begin explain how taken aback I am by this comment, to call others cynical and come out with this - do you think these currently feature the work of anonymous composers of unloved background music? Have you heard of the likes of Nobuo Uematsu, Yoko Shimomura, Lena Raine, John Williams, Clint Mansell, Ennio Morricone, Ramin Djawadi, Max Richter, holy shit Max Ri…

Not GP but no, I haven't. Only one I can name is Jeff Russo, and I suspect that (1) is above average. Off-screen recognition by the average audience goes down fast, how many directors even do you think people can name? What about TV directors?

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by velcrobeg »

mrandish wrote: post #76

Personally, I have little interest in typing a text prompt and getting a complete song as an output. However, I will gladly pay serious money for a tool that interactively collaborates with me in a granular, iterative process of generating, adjusting and mixing individual instruments and sections toward a finished multi-track song project. Allow users to creatively engage by providing suggested starting places in the…

have you looked at the Music AI sandbox that Google announced? it seems more instrument and editing based.

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by jFriedensreich »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #91

The real potential of tools like Suno isn’t in cranking out radio-ready hits. It’s in creating music that doesn't have commercial incentives to exist. Case in point: Functional Music. I started using it to generate songs that reinforce emotional regulation strategies -things like grounding, breathwork, staying present. Not instructional tracks, which would be unbearable, but actual songs with lyrics that reflect actu…

This is exactly on point. My budget gym plays constant low quality eastern european remakes of US hits that are completely unbearable. I count the days until they switch to AI music that is assumably even cheaper but much more acceptable.

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by x0xrx »

XenophileJKO wrote: post #209
otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're not making art, you're running prompts through a meme picture generator. Like I said, you know nothing about making art. (Not a big deal, not everybody needs to.) In an alternative parallel universe we might have gotten actual AI tools for making art - these would be various infilling plugins, basically. ("Make me a Photoshop brush that paints pine-needle looking spiky things", that sort of thing.) What we got…

I mean I did have a meme or two in there to show the range. You clearly didn't look at it if you think it is all memes. Maybe think hard about what art really is.. a brush is a brush.. I don't have to justify my art to anyone. The magic is.. you can't choose what is art. You can choose what YOU think is art and that's fine. However you can't dictate to the world what is art.

I agree you don’t have to justify your art. But which was not a meme? I clicked many and found only memes.
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