Irish privacy watchdog hits TikTok with €530M fine over data transfers to China

Post by chmod775 » Sat, May 03, 2025, 4:32 AM UTC

lukeschlather wrote: post #140

lolinder wrote: post #57

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To hurt enough to be worth changing the fines don't have to be a fraction of their global revenue, they have to be significantly more than the benefit gained from the illegal behavior. According to that article TikTok made $10B of that $20B in the US alone, which puts a cap on their European revenue of $10B (likely significantly less because this ignores Brazil and Indonesia, which according to the linked article are…

The thing is, TikTok is not accused of directly profiting off of this, they are accused of operating as part of the Chinese espionage apparatus. Assuming that this is the case, TikTok is going to be happy to continue paying fines as long as they break even worldwide. And the US is making no serious attempts to rein in this sort of behavior so they've got all that US profit to use.

Post by aurareturn » Sat, May 03, 2025, 7:48 AM UTC

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aurareturn wrote: post #183

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I don't think it's valid to say you can only criticize somebody if you are doing better on that front. We should all watch and criticize other countries so humanity can improve. I think it's valid. Fix yourself first. Telling someone else to stop doing something you're doing yourself is meaningless - especially when the EU is trying to position as the morally superior entity. I fail to see why that could be the case.…

> We should all watch and criticize other countries so humanity can improve. Many (if not most) Europeans think it is perfectly fine when they criticise other countries; but when people from other countries criticise Europe, these very same Europeans tend to agitatedly accuse these critics of interference in their domestic affairs. From these Europeans' point of view, humanity progresses in pre-ordained stages, and E…

Post by relistan » Sat, May 03, 2025, 8:39 AM UTC

AlchemistCamp wrote: post #229

relistan wrote: post #156

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In Tiktok's case it's because the revenue is actually flowing through Ireland. EDIT: here's more about the general mechanism I'm referring to https://archive.is/0hcAK

One of TikTok’s largest markets is Japan. Their shop revenues in particular, doubled in Japan last year. Those earnings are taxed locally and have nothing to do with Ireland.

Post by KomoD » Sat, May 03, 2025, 12:43 PM UTC

lukan wrote: post #10

udev4096 wrote: post #4

Whoever cares about privacy would certainly stay away from TokTok. This is just absurd. Ban the app already

"Ban the app already" And FB, Insta, Google, Youtube, ..? The only difference with TikTok is that it is based in china.

Post by crazygringo » Sat, May 03, 2025, 1:30 PM UTC

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No it's not. The goal of punishment is correction of behavior, not destruction. By your logic, we ought to apply the death penalty for stealing a candy bar. Because that will teach a lesson too, no?

The purposes of punishment include rehabilitation, as you mention, but also deterrence, incapacitation, retribution, denunciation, and restoration: Deterrence: Destruction of the corporation serves as a lesson to the rest of society, to scare them away from doing the same. Incapacitation: A corporation which no longer exists cannot reoffend. Retribution: The deserve nothing less. Denunciation: Overlaps with deterrenc…