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Apple violated antitrust ruling, judge finds

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Re: Apple violated antitrust ruling, judge finds

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Post by xxs »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #21
medhir wrote: post #15

once again will ask why iPhones are treated any differently from other computing devices — we need legislative solutions that allow consumers to load software (or even other operating systems) on any computing device they own. restricting software distribution on any platform under the guise of needing to be kept “secure” always seemed anticompetitive to me - that should apply regardless of Apple’s particular behavio…

Get ready to answer why an iPhone is different than an xbox

Both allow to have software developed for by any 3rd parties - that should include any and the original device seller should not be able to control the distribution.

If you really ask: xbox is pretty much the same as an x86-64 PC, running Windows (and having AMD GPU). It just bit more sealed.

Re: Apple violated antitrust ruling, judge finds

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Post by pornel »

xuki wrote: post #107

> Internally, Phillip Schiller had advocated that Apple comply with the Injunction, but Tim Cook ignored Schiller and instead allowed Chief Financial Officer Luca Maestri and his finance team to convince him otherwise. The bean counters won. I guess Tim Cook does care about the bloody ROI after all. https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevedenning/2014/03/07/why-tim...

This worries me beyond anti-competitive stuff.

If Tim Cook is willing to lie and cheat for extra revenue, I can't trust that Apple is honest about their privacy commitments. Services revenue line must keep going up, and their ad business is a growth opportunity.

Re: Apple violated antitrust ruling, judge finds

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Post by xp84 »

gpm wrote: post #157
leptons wrote: post #141

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I'm fine with Google and Apple having App stores, so long as I'm not forced to use them. They should compete like everyone else. The walls of the walled garden have to be torn down. They still get to have a garden, they just can't lock unwitting people inside of it.

Walls to keep apps out should be fine, but they should have to have gates to let the consumers out - i.e. a method to install other apps (not through the app store) that have every bit the same level of access as the device manufacturer's apps. There should be two levers used to achieve this. One is anti-trust style legislation. The other is patent misuse legislation. If you try and prevent consumers from running sof…

Is anyone proposing making Apple distribute software? If so, though, pretty sure just allowing sideloading instead would satisfy all of Apple’s critics including the government. It’s Apple who insists that all roads onto the iPhone must go through them (and give them 30% of your gross revenue)

Re: Apple violated antitrust ruling, judge finds

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Post by xp84 »

numbsafari wrote: post #155
zik wrote: post #98

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Surely he should receive a prison sentence for that alone?

With the referral to the US attorney’s office, he actually might. Consider how painful that is going to be for Apple, and Roman, with how the current administration is abusing the DOJ. The repercussions of this could be huge.

Well in this case it wouldn’t be abuse. I hope they do convict him if he’s guilty of perjury. It will set an example for the other weasels. “Percentage of executives of Fortune 500 companies who do time for real crimes they committed” should be a big KPI for the DOJ in my book.

Re: Apple violated antitrust ruling, judge finds

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Post by Mayzie »

sophiebits wrote: post #203
whateveracct wrote: post #184

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nice ty. i always have so much trouble finding these links but i have Apple News+. is there an easy way to do it? i always have to manually go through issues.

In Safari you can hit the Share button at the bottom then pick News.

Odd. That is not there for me and I cannot add it :( I have the same problem as OP. I wish it were simple.

Re: Apple violated antitrust ruling, judge finds

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Post by sneak »

xuki wrote: post #107

> Internally, Phillip Schiller had advocated that Apple comply with the Injunction, but Tim Cook ignored Schiller and instead allowed Chief Financial Officer Luca Maestri and his finance team to convince him otherwise. The bean counters won. I guess Tim Cook does care about the bloody ROI after all. https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevedenning/2014/03/07/why-tim...

Now Tim Apple has gotta call up Trump and remind him he donated to the inauguration fund and is getting fucked by the tariffs (and furthermore has to spend many billions to hedge against what the USA is going to need to do in Taiwan) and get him to threaten the appellate judge.

Re: Apple violated antitrust ruling, judge finds

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Post by xp84 »

jamessinghal wrote: post #153
elpool2 wrote: post #28

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As described in the ruling, Apple hired a consulting group to estimate how much value developers get from the iphone platform, which found that (1) Apple’s platform technology is worth up to 30% of a developer’s revenue. (2) Apple’s developer tools and services are worth approximately 3%–16%. (3) Apple’s distribution services are worth approximately 4%–14%. (4) Apple’s discovery services are worth approximately 5%–14…

The funny thing is that the companies that stand to benefit the most from this and that move the most money (Netflix, Spotify, Fortnite) need Apple's platform, marketing, and distribution the least.

Indeed. I’d add a fourth category: the medium-to-long tail of ad-infested casino games for children. None of those apps are successful because of the App Store. People don’t generally start at the App Store and go looking for games like this. They are all installed from CPI ads in other ad-infested apps or on websites.

Apple is exactly like a mobster demanding a cut for “protection” — except they’ve designed and controlled the system so well that your business just cannot exist in the first place until your automatic extortion payment system is in place.

Re: Apple violated antitrust ruling, judge finds

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Post by openplatypus »

kubb wrote: post #219
bze12 wrote: post #26

Their entire setup was egregious. They charge 27% for purchases made using external payment processors. Including Stripe fees that's net-zero (not even accounting for any chargeback risks). They severely limit how you can display the external purchase link too, and display an obnoxious warning screen when you tap it. I would be surprised if a single developer adopted it. https://developer.apple.com/support/storekit-e…

Wasn’t there a recent EU fine for Apple for preventing developers from promoting alternative distribution channels within their apps, or linking to external subscription websites? Half of the entire HN was like „EU bad, how dare you regulate them”. What gives?

HN is mostly US audience.

EU = bad

US = good

Re: Apple violated antitrust ruling, judge finds

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Post by CalRobert »

openplatypus wrote: post #238
kubb wrote: post #219

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Wasn’t there a recent EU fine for Apple for preventing developers from promoting alternative distribution channels within their apps, or linking to external subscription websites? Half of the entire HN was like „EU bad, how dare you regulate them”. What gives?

HN is mostly US audience. EU = bad US = good

Seems to depend on time of day

Re: Apple violated antitrust ruling, judge finds

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Post by kubb »

openplatypus wrote: post #238
kubb wrote: post #219

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Wasn’t there a recent EU fine for Apple for preventing developers from promoting alternative distribution channels within their apps, or linking to external subscription websites? Half of the entire HN was like „EU bad, how dare you regulate them”. What gives?

HN is mostly US audience. EU = bad US = good

But weren't people here supposed to be intellectually curious, and have the cognitive tools to overcome things like instinctive tribalism?
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