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Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by conradfr »

cousin_it wrote: post #213
antononcube wrote: post #110

The creation of music by AI brings to mind a quote from David Bowie: “Music itself is going to become like running water or electricity. So take advantage of these last few years, because this will never happen again. Get ready for a lot of touring, because that's the only unique experience left.” While Bowie had different reasoning for making that statement, it's interesting to think that with AI-generated music, hi…

> Get ready for a lot of touring, because that's the only unique experience left Until someone makes an AI guitar pedal that corrects sloppy playing.

You can convert your guitar signal to midi and quantize it.

Not sure that would have helped Jimmy "sloppy" Page getting famous though.

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Post by balfirevic »

voidspark wrote: post #179
chii wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are still blacksmiths today, selling artisanal products. I dont believe it to be any different with the advent of AGI. What you don't get of course, is the economic benefit of previously.

If AGI takes my job as a software developer, my career is finished. I don't know what else to do. Companies won't give a shit about "artisanal" code.

> What if you WANT to have a career or a job which is now done exclusively by AGI?

> If AGI takes my job as a software developer, my career is finished. I don't know what else to do.

Do you want to have a software developer career for the sake of having a software developer career (because you enjoy it), or are you worried about your livelihood?

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Post by stavros »

flanked-evergl wrote: post #188
geden wrote: post #183

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Bad how?

Bad in the sense that it is at it's core a denial that there exists something such as good, and even something such as bad — in almost every sense of the word, whether it be aesthetically or morally. The human race, according to religion, fell once, and in falling gained knowledge of good and of bad. Now we have fallen a second time, and not even that remains to us. One of the core contentions of the Christian faith,…

How is it that?

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by stavros »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #212
closewith wrote: post #161

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Well, the number of working musicians absolutely cratered, so it wasn’t really overblown, even though a few artists became extremely wealthy.

Musicians are actually a lot poorer than they should be, the label system is a complete scam and syphons off almost all the value created before the artist sees any for close to no benefit.

If labels offer so little benefit, why have they not become obsolete? Nowadays artists can self-publish with minimal cost, so why haven't we been seeing independent artists that are massively popular?

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Post by kmijyiyxfbklao »

dgfl wrote: post #97
voidspark wrote: post #73

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If it can do everything, then you will be redundant.

I keep coming back to this thought. Maybe it’s how I was raised, but knowing that I’m doing something useful to other people / humanity is the entire point. When a machine can do everything better than we can, then what do we derive meaning from? I usually get out of the existential dread by thinking that we’re still some time away from the issue, and that there will still be some pursuits left, like space colonizati…

Sounds like the useful thing to do now is to come up with a way to automate laundry and dishes. Are you doing that?

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Post by taneq »

nsteel wrote: post #177
tmountain wrote: post #155

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I’ve been writing software for 25 years and am “vibe coding” a fairly complex game in my spare time. It saves time on boilerplate but it is absolutely not capable of doing all the work. There’s still some assembly required and doing so requires domain knowledge and expertise. Also, prompting properly requires the same. If I were to compare the experience to building a house, I’m now the foreman—and no longer doing th…

The scary thing is while a construction labourer knows how to properly lay bricks, an AI's output is reliably unreliable. Does the foreman have to go round checking every little thing on the site? That would be a waste of time. Using these AI tools for anything important is too high risk.

> Does the foreman have to go round checking every little thing on the site?

Uh, is that not half of the foreman’s job? They’re there to direct and coordinate the work, resolve unforeseen issues, and to enforce the required quality of work.

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by concats »

Aldipower wrote: post #224
concats wrote: post #219

Trying to look at the bigger picture for a moment. A lot of the philosophical debate about art I see here, and elsewhere on social media, is often very shallow and can be reduced to: Does one believe that the value of the art-piece (be is music, paintings, film, or whatever) is created in the mind of the artist, or is it created in the mind of the consumer? If you believe only in the former, AI art is an oxymoron and…

Art is always some form of human interaction. When we talk about AI music, I think we do not talk about art anymore, so this isn't human interaction as this isn't art too. The creation of the AI itself, could be considered as art, but not the outcome of the AI. We have to be careful in our discussions not to mix the things up. A lot of confusion happens in recent discussion.

Personally I don't like to gatekeep art.

For example: If someone walks out into the wilderness and encounters a particularly fascinating rock formation or plant, something that was created completely by accident and without a artist or designer, but they find that the sight instills in them strong emotions or deeper thought, I believe they should be allowed to call that art.

Maybe this is just petty linguistics and semantics though, in which case we're drifting away from the topic at hand, and I'm sorry.

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by aniviacat »

anentropic wrote: post #204

This is not actually music. Music is a cultural practice, this is just organised sound. Maybe one day AIs will be able to participate in cultural practices like humans do, as sentient beings, but current generative AI models do not.

> That is not a water bottle, it's a domesticated puddle.

Many (most?) people don't care about the artists behind songs (even less so about their culture). They care about the "organised sound" being enjoyable to hear. And to them, AI music is just as valuable as manual music.

Gangam style didn't become popular because people cared about PSY. It didn't become popular because of its thoughtful lyrics and insightful message. It became popular because it sounds good.

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Post by kmijyiyxfbklao »

j_maffe wrote: post #195
cambaceres wrote: post #154

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> I've just recently re-discovered the joy of writing my own songs Good for you man, how will AI stop you? Are you writing songs for the pleasure of writing songs or for getting validation from other people?

It's not about validation, it's about expression and communicationw with other humans. That's one of the key beauties of art and it's being flooded away with artificial, empty content

What sites are full of AI music? Spotify? Bandcamp?
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