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Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by esafak »

heywoods wrote: post #229
eightysixfour wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really feel like the software model is going to start to break in a couple of ways in the near future. Instead of vertical software slices, many people are going to want their single “horizontal” agent that they pay for (e.g Gemini Advanced, Claude) and connectivity to all of their other services. MCP (which I personally think is a mediocre protocol, so it will probably win) as the glue for a bunch of services we O…

Your intuition regarding the shift from vertical to horizontal integration is spot on! Sam Altman, in a recent Stratechery interview, detailed parts of OpenAI's future strategy that align with your prediction — a persistent, personalized AI. He envisions users interacting with OpenAI not just through core products but also across other applications. Altman described a key part of the strategy: "...we have this idea t…

The industry solution to this is to create an open standard for AI memory.

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by akhosravian »

atmosx wrote: post #227
lurk2 wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect that Kagi’s price point might be a close approximation of what these services actually cost to provide without being subsidized by ad services and data harvesting; free search can only really sustain itself under those conditions. Heavy users who block ads have been getting subsidized by other users for decades now, and this has led these users to expect these services to be provided at an unrealistically l…

Yes, but don’t twist it: it’s VC money, greedy corporations and personal data exploitation that enabled all that. Not those who came to expect expensive services for free.

People like free and the “greedy corporations” found a way to give them what they want.

Google search is trash now (for reasons that aren’t entirely in Google’s control), but for the first decade it was magical how well it could one shot finding relevant data on the web.

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by everforward »

basch wrote: post #220
macrocosmos wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think they might be talking about the cost to the model providers.

Then Google should offer Advanced Portable for $30 that includes being able to plug it into third party services. With some kind of policing to prevent it from being used as the entire backend to a service (for all users) itself.

Third party usage is too disparate for a single flat rate to make sense. Perplexity probably uses orders of magnitude more tokens than Kagi does (the former uses tokens on every search, the latter only does if you manually invoke the Assistant).

Then there's the disparity in how many third party services each user uses. Some will use one, some will use 50. Google could charge per integration, but that's basically the status quo.

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by MostlyStable »

34679 wrote: post #196

Kagi search is great, but I'm not willing to pay more than $5/mo for search and 300 searches isn't enough. I have no interest in Kagi AI. Adding more searches would've caused me to sign up again. A rate limit instead of a monthly limit would prevent the "search anxiety" that creeps in as your available searches dwindle. Make it so and you can have my money again.

I'm curious about how you think about the "value" for a service like Kagi? What determines how much it is worth to you? I don't think that Kagi is for everyone, but, at least for my own internal model of value, Kagi comes out so far ahead, that I'm curious about alternate ways of thinking about value that don't see it that way (to be extra clear: I do not think that my view is the "correct" view or only view).

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by switch007 »

baobabKoodaa wrote: post #79

I don't like how this was rolled out. I'm currently paying for "Unlimited Kagi Assistant" and the Kagi website STILL advertises "Unlimited Kagi Assistant". And they stealthily rolled in limits? I pay the same amount, but it's no longer unlimited, and I only know about this because I happened to notice it on HN. Otherwise I would only know after hitting a limit.

It's easier just to never believe a company whenever they say "unlimited". It almost always goes away. And never ever truly unlimited as they all have a legal caveat to terminate your services for whatever reason whenever they like

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by dmos62 »

MostlyStable wrote: post #234
34679 wrote: post #196

Kagi search is great, but I'm not willing to pay more than $5/mo for search and 300 searches isn't enough. I have no interest in Kagi AI. Adding more searches would've caused me to sign up again. A rate limit instead of a monthly limit would prevent the "search anxiety" that creeps in as your available searches dwindle. Make it so and you can have my money again.

I'm curious about how you think about the "value" for a service like Kagi? What determines how much it is worth to you? I don't think that Kagi is for everyone, but, at least for my own internal model of value, Kagi comes out so far ahead, that I'm curious about alternate ways of thinking about value that don't see it that way (to be extra clear: I do not think that my view is the "correct" view or only view).

How do you think about its value? I too am interested in others' perspectives. I'm not the person you asked, but I rarely do more than "{query} reddit" or "{technology name} {documentation-oriented query}". Google, or any of its free competitors, work fine for that. On top of that I'm subscription averse: the only "digital" subscription I have is additional google drive capacity and a VPS, which together cost less than 10 moneys per month, and I'm fantasizing about canceling those too.

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by lawn »

I love Kagi and it's easily worth the money.

I even use an Ultimate plan to try out the different models but I use it so rarely that it's probably better to downgrade.

I wonder, what's the upside for the Ultimate plan now? Just better models?

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by kevincox »

Hasnep wrote: post #8
viraptor wrote: post #2

If the staff sees this - please stop preventing zoom. Not only is that bad for accessibility, it makes the article less useful for everyone - there's a screenshot included showing off the feature, but it's too small to read on the phone and I can't zoom in.

Firefox on Android has an accessibility setting called "Zoom on all web sites" that gets around this. Firefox's reader mode would help with this as well. It's a shame we need these workarounds instead of all websites being accessible by default :/

Unfortunately there is no per-site override. So you get to the occasional site that you don't want to zoom (like a game where the zoom gesture does something in-game) that is unusable with this global setting enabled :(

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by tempest_ »

lurking_swe wrote: post #140
TekMol wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Because it has been widely discussed for years. That Google does fingerprinting across searches to cluster them and pinpoint them to a person? Are you sure you are not confusing this with cookies? Cookies are under my control. I can decide to not store them or just delete them. > Because the source code of that feature is open and you can look into it I guess You can't know what source code that is running on the s…

yes, even if you clear your cookies: https://www.malwarebytes.com/blog/news/2025/02/google-now-al... i quote: “With all these pieces of information, it’s possible to create a unique fingerprint by which websites can recognize you, even if you clear your cookies. They will even be able to make an informed guess if you visit the same site with a different browser.” i urge you to consider how google makes money. it’s no…

Aha has this person never seen the JS google/CF run for bot detection?

The browser APIs spit out so much info about the host system on demand and that doesnt even consider the other tricks they use.

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

34679 wrote: post #196

Kagi search is great, but I'm not willing to pay more than $5/mo for search and 300 searches isn't enough. I have no interest in Kagi AI. Adding more searches would've caused me to sign up again. A rate limit instead of a monthly limit would prevent the "search anxiety" that creeps in as your available searches dwindle. Make it so and you can have my money again.

> I'm not willing to pay more than $5/mo for search and 300 searches isn't enough

Most of the population is well served with search funded with ads and tracking. Kagi is for the minority who don’t want that. I’m not sure there is enough if a market between 300 and some other number that would treat search anxiety just to satisfy those who won’t pay $60 a year more to relieve it.

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