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Re: OpenAI o3 and o4-mini

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Post by jsnell »

scarface_74 wrote: post #197
pants2 wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Remember that Docusign has 7,000 employees. I think OpenAI is pretty lean for what they're accomplishing.

Yes and Amazon has 1.52 million employees. How many developers could they possibly need? Or maybe it’s just nonsensical to compare the number of employees across companies - especially when they don’t do nearly the same thing. On a related note, wait until you find out how many more employees that Apple has than Google since Apple has hundreds of retail employees.

Apple has fewer employees than Google (164k < 183k).

Re: OpenAI o3 and o4-mini

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Post by actsasbuffoon »

shmatt wrote: post #120
_fat_santa wrote: post #58

So at this point OpenAI has 6 reasoning models, 4 flagship chat models, and 7 cost optimized models. So that's 17 models in total and that's not even counting their older models and more specialized ones. Compare this with Anthropic that has 7 models in total and 2 main ones that they promote. This is just getting to be a bit much, seems like they are trying to cover for the fact that they haven't actually done much.…

Im old enough to remember the mystery and hype before o*/o1/strawberry that was supposed to be essentially AGI. We had serious news outlets write about senior people at OpenAI quitting because o1 was SkyNet Now we're up to o4, AGI is still not even in near site (depending on your definition, I know). And OpenAI is up to about 5000 employees. I'd think even before AGI a new model would be able to cover for at least 45…

Meanwhile even the highest ranked models can’t do simple logic tasks. GothamChess on YouTube did some tests where he played against a bunch of the best models and every single one of them failed spectacularly.

They’d happily lose a queen to take a pawn. They failed to understand how pieces are even allowed to move, hallucinated the existence of new pieces, repeatedly declared checkmate when it wasn’t, etc.

I tried it last night with Gemini 2.5 Pro and it made it 6 turns before it started making illegal moves, and 8 turns before it got so confused about the state of the board before it refused to play with me any longer.

I was in the chess club in 3rd grade. One of the top ranked LLMs in the world is vastly dumber than I was in 3rd grade. But we’re going to pour hundreds of billions into this in the hope that it can end my career? Good luck with that, guys.

Re: OpenAI o3 and o4-mini

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Post by airstrike »

crowcroft wrote: post #142
_fat_santa wrote: post #58

So at this point OpenAI has 6 reasoning models, 4 flagship chat models, and 7 cost optimized models. So that's 17 models in total and that's not even counting their older models and more specialized ones. Compare this with Anthropic that has 7 models in total and 2 main ones that they promote. This is just getting to be a bit much, seems like they are trying to cover for the fact that they haven't actually done much.…

Most industries, or categories go through cycles of fragmentation and consolidation. AI is currently in a high growth expansion phase. The leads to rapid iteration and fragmentation because getting things released is the most important thing. When the models start to plateau or the demands on the industry are for profit you will see consolidation start.

having many models from the same company in some haphazard strategy doesn't equate to "industry fragmentation". it's just confusion

Re: OpenAI o3 and o4-mini

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Post by scarface_74 »

kupopuffs wrote: post #229
scarface_74 wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes and Amazon has 1.52 million employees. How many developers could they possibly need? Or maybe it’s just nonsensical to compare the number of employees across companies - especially when they don’t do nearly the same thing. On a related note, wait until you find out how many more employees that Apple has than Google since Apple has hundreds of retail employees.

what kind of employees does Docusign employ? surely Digital Documents dont require physical onsite distribution centers and labor

Just look at their careers page

Re: OpenAI o3 and o4-mini

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Post by peterldowns »

erikw wrote: post #213

Interesting... I asked o3 for help writing a flake so I could install the latest Webstorm on NixOS (since the one in the package repo is several months old), and it looks like it actually spun up a NixOS VM, downloaded the Webstorm package, wrote the Flake, calculated the SHA hash that NixOS needs, and wrote a test suite. The test suite indicates that it even did GUI testing- not sure whether that is a hallucination…

If it can write a nixos flake it's significantly smarter than the average programmer. Certainly smarter than me, one-shotting a flake is not something I'll ever be able to do — usually takes me about thirty shots and a few minutes to cool off from how mad I am at whoever designed this fucking idiotic language. That's awesome.

Re: OpenAI o3 and o4-mini

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Post by andrewinardeer »

jcynix wrote: post #80

To plan a visit to a dark sky place, I used duck.ai (Duckduckgo's experimental AI chat feature) to ask five different AIs on what date the new moon will happen in August 2025. GPT-4o mini: The new moon in August 2025 will occur on August 12. Llama 3.3 70B: The new moon in August 2025 is expected to occur on August 16, 2025. Claude 3 Haiku: The new moon in August 2025 will occur on August 23, 2025. o3-mini: Based on a…

"Who was the President of the United States when Neil Armstrong walked on the moon?"

Gemini 2.5 refuses to answer this because it is too political.

Re: OpenAI o3 and o4-mini

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Post by ai-christianson »

erikw wrote: post #213

Interesting... I asked o3 for help writing a flake so I could install the latest Webstorm on NixOS (since the one in the package repo is several months old), and it looks like it actually spun up a NixOS VM, downloaded the Webstorm package, wrote the Flake, calculated the SHA hash that NixOS needs, and wrote a test suite. The test suite indicates that it even did GUI testing- not sure whether that is a hallucination…

> Interesting... I asked o3 for help writing...

What tool were you using for this?

Re: OpenAI o3 and o4-mini

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Post by steamrolled »

pants2 wrote: post #152
shmatt wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Im old enough to remember the mystery and hype before o*/o1/strawberry that was supposed to be essentially AGI. We had serious news outlets write about senior people at OpenAI quitting because o1 was SkyNet Now we're up to o4, AGI is still not even in near site (depending on your definition, I know). And OpenAI is up to about 5000 employees. I'd think even before AGI a new model would be able to cover for at least 45…

Remember that Docusign has 7,000 employees. I think OpenAI is pretty lean for what they're accomplishing.

I don't think these comparisons are useful. Every time you look at companies like LinkedIn or Docusign, yeah - they have a lot of staff, but a significant proportion of this are functions like sales, customer support, and regulatory compliance across a bazillion different markets; along with all the internal tooling and processes you need to support that.

OpenAI is at a much earlier stage in their adventures and probably doesn't have that much baggage. Given their age and revenue streams, their headcount is quite substantial.

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